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What is the "definition" of rapid fire?

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by JackD, Jul 22, 2012.

  1. JackD

    JackD Elmira, OR Active Member

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    Some ranges don't allow "rapid fire", but none I've seen define what is meant by "rapid fire". What is your understanding of the term? Referring to handguns....not rifles or machine guns.
     
  2. Rascals

    Rascals Portland Or Active Member

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    If its a black rifle or pistol any shooting is rapid firing according to most of them. But usally every 30 seconds or so.
     
  3. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    Rapid Fire - a rate of ammunition discharged from a firearm that could be deemed uncontrolled, inaccurate or in such a large pattern as to be missing the intended target completely.

    Not textbook - just my own definition. Reality is I think it depends on the firearm. For example it has been proven the fastest Union Soldiers of the Civil War could get four rounds a minute out of their Springfields which is a very high rate of fire for that firearm. I will never try it with mine.
     
  4. Grunwald

    Grunwald Out of that nut job colony of Seattle, WA Well-Known Member

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    I think Sam's was defining it as either 2 rounds per second or faster than 1 round every 2nd second.
    I can't recal. ...but I do remember that they explain it further as no double taps.
    LEO are exempt from that rule at that range.

    I have never had any issues firing at a rate of about 1 round per second.
     
  5. rumblebee1967

    rumblebee1967 Bellingham Active Member

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    At the range I am range officer at we allow a double tap, but other than that consider rapid fire to be less than 1 second between shots.
     
  6. RifleEnthusiast

    RifleEnthusiast Close to Oregon City Active Member

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    In Tri County, I think it's 2 or more shots within a second.
    Uncontrolled fire (for rifles): firing from a position other than that of a butt stock against the shoulder.
     
  7. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Yes, and it is a good idea to print out page 2 or 8 of the range rules that defines it that way. It would be better if they defined it as no more than two shots every three seconds, that way double tap shots would be allowed.

    In the Action range this rule does not apply as long as you are shooting in a controlled manner; no bumpfiring, etc; no full auto or slide stocks.
     
  8. netcarrier

    netcarrier Portland, Oregon Active Member

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    Hi JackD,
    Here is what I found on the internet;



    American Heritage Dictionary:
    rap·id-fire

    Home > Library > Literature & Language > Dictionary
    (răp'ĭd-fīr')
    adj. 1.Designed to fire shots in rapid succession: a rapid-fire machine gun.
    2. Marked by continuous rapid occurrence: rapid-fire questions.


    Read more: rapid-fire: Definition from Answers.com

    Hope this helps,
    Tony Portland, Oregon Area
     
  9. biggie24420

    biggie24420 Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Somewhere I heard that if you were involved in a self defense shooting... you don't wanna say double tap. What you wanna say is TWO CONTROLLED SHOTS lol. Rapid fire to me is pulling the trigger as fast as I can till my magazine is empty.
     
  10. JackD

    JackD Elmira, OR Active Member

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    Interesting. And just as I thought. No real concensus as to what it means as it relates to the range. It is a relative term and needs context to have any real meaning. It's really up to the rangemaster on duty at the time.

    I was wondering if there was a "real" definition as it related to handguns (or rifles for that matter).
     
  11. Spitpatch

    Spitpatch Forest Grove, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    If you have to ask, you're probably guilty.
     
  12. JackD

    JackD Elmira, OR Active Member

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    Not yet. ;) I have my own range and I have no such restrictions. But I'm going to WA to visit my son and we usually visit his friendly neighborhood range. It has a sign posted against "rapid-fire" on the handgun range. I wanted to do some testing of different caliber handguns in "fast as we can repeat fire and still hit the target". Can't do that in my home range. It's indoors and misses make holes in the walls and large calibers are hard on the bullet trap as well as the neighbors nerves.
     
  13. KKG

    KKG Western Washington Member

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    There is a specific Definition in the NRA Rule Book that governs a specific form of Competition. Such as the 2700 Matches(3 Pistol) and High Power(Rifle); as these shoot both a "Slow Fire" and a "Rapid Fire" string. I don't happen to have a current Rule Book in front of me but I'm sure these Rules are Posted somewhere on the web. As an NRA Range Safety Officer; I personally consider any firing where the basics of Marksmanship are not being followed "could" be called Rapid Fire. Mike
     
  14. JackD

    JackD Elmira, OR Active Member

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    So if I could empty a 10 round mag. in five seconds and hit the target every time, I'd be OK?
     
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    KKG Western Washington Member

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    if ALL of your shots were in the "X" Ring then and Only then would I agree. Mike
     
  16. Misterbill

    Misterbill Yakima County, Washington New Member

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    I won't be a member of nor financially support any range or club that has arbitrary restrictions on rate of fire.

    My normal drill is draw from the holster and fire two, 3, or four rapid shots, and do the same from the ready. My shot groups are typically within a hand-sized group or smaller in the thoracic area of the target.

    There is nothing remotely unsafe about this. I've been a member of a couple of clubs who simply ban unsafe practices, as defined by the range master. If you're emptying out your AR and hitting the target, I don't care how fast you're shooting. If you're SLOW firing and putting rounds over the berm, you're done.
     
  17. B-Towner

    B-Towner Western Washington Member

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    At the range I shoot at, more than one shot fired per second is considered rapid fire.
     
  18. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Actually, what you want to say is nothing unless you are talking to your attorney.
     
  19. CharonPDX

    CharonPDX Portland, OR Active Member

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    Yeah, there is no official legally-defined definition.

    Check at your range for their definition. The common definitions I've seen are:
    * More than one trigger pull per second.
    * More than three shots in any given two-second span. (I think this one was done to specifically allow double-tap.)
     
  20. Skang

    Skang WA Well-Known Member

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    from what I remember, after fire a round, wait 1 second to fire next round.