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Agree with that Andy. Some science sez that white men get more and more conservative as they age. I used to think I could swing some minds using documented facts with semi-open minded libs. Turns out, many will just game you to see how far they can string you along. There are a few ( like me years ago) who think they are liberal, but really hold conservative values, that can change their minds with new/valid information. But my fuse is so short now from dealing with the decieptful hypocrites, that it's not worth my valuable time to look for the needles in the haystack.