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What has the Democrate Party done to preserve Americans 2A Rights?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by DMax, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. DMax

    DMax Yamhill Well-Known Member

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    I am looking for a history lesson on what Democrates have done for us on expanding and preserving our 2A rights.


    This may be the shortest thread ever :laugh:
     
  2. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    And here's the musical rendition of DMax's question:
    [video=youtube;r9uizdKZAGE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9uizdKZAGE[/video]

    Uhhh, and the lyrics are surprisingly appropriate!
     
  3. AlphaCoyote

    AlphaCoyote Oh, I get around. New Member

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    In the last four years? Nothing. They haven't touched my gun rights. I'm good with that.
     
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    Unka-Boo Milwaukie Active Member

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    I like troll threads with mispelled words....
     
  5. Atroxus

    Atroxus Marysville, WA Member

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    I can't think anything that the democratic party as a whole has done to further gun rights, but I do think there are some democrats that are not the evil gun grabbing socialists that we are supposed to think they all are.
     
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  6. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Think Fast & Furious and several hundred deaths attributed to the guns allowed to go into Mexico and other areas by the Democratic government in an attempt to bolster their "90% of guns used in crime come from gun dealers in the US". Then there's the illegal registration of long guns in four states.
     
  7. slingshot1943

    slingshot1943 salem or Well-Known Member

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    Every place that has horrible gun laws has a leftist government.
     
  8. MikeSettles

    MikeSettles Vancouver, Washington Active Member

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    Ahh, but they've tried:
    McCarthy, Laughtenberg, Schuler, Boxer, Feinstein; "gun-show" loophole, hi-cap magazine ban, new "assault weapon" ban, sue gun-makers when their products are used in crimes, micro-stamping, no open-carry, and no concealed carry for the proletariat (California), "gun violence tax" (Chicago), etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

    Can anyone list any of the same from republican lawmakers? (Oh yes, I agree: When the politcal winds blow that way, the RINOs will jump on board again just like they did in the '80s and '90s. But they won't sign on now, because it would be political poison for them.)
     
  9. AlphaCoyote

    AlphaCoyote Oh, I get around. New Member

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    Well, Canada, the UK, France, and Germany all have Conservative governments right now, and all have much more stringent gun laws than the US. You want a rightist government? Move to Iran or Burma or Singapore and try ordering an AR15 off the internet.

    Can you name a "rightist" government country that has gun laws better than those of the US? I can't think of one. Maybe Afghanistan or some nutty kleptocracy in sub-Saharan Africa.

    Gun control laws are worldwide, and ours are the slackest of any developed country, even under a Democratic administration. And we like it that way.

    It's not really a left/right issue worldwide. It's about consolidation of power in the hands of the state, and that is pervasive. We just fight back a little better. Not a lot, but a little.
     
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  10. MikeSettles

    MikeSettles Vancouver, Washington Active Member

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    Afghanistan (and Iraq, by the way) both allow one AK-47 per household. The problem for the householder is that he can't take it anywhere to practice with it, nor can he legally buy ammo for it.

    They have a village militia system that works (depending on the tribe and location), called an Arbakai: When the householder hears gunshots in the community, he grabs his AK and goes to support his neighbors. I worked some with the Mangal tribe in Paktya, and saw them do this when one of the tribal leaders was threatened by Taliban.

    Police don't patrol after dark, there are too few, too poorly trained and lead to have a very positive effect. (Think 15 deputies, no town police, to cover Clark County: And they have three pickup trucks with little fuel.)
     
  11. Sling Blade

    Sling Blade Yamhill County Well-Known Member

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    I thought maybe Democrates was the name of some Greek philosopher or something.
     
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    mosinguy by the ocean Member

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    I thought Switzerland was a develoed country. They have the best gun laws, and have voted down any thing that puts a restriction on their rights. the Dems have done nothing *** of yet to protect them and i doubt they will do anything at all to protect them.
     
  13. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Even if you don't belong to the NRA, or don't believe they have gun owner's back in the fight against gun control, you have to admit that they have spent more time and money lobbying on our behalf over the years than anyone.

    So, if you want to know what Democrats have done to preserve our 2nd Amendment rights in the last few years, all you have to do is listen to the speech that president obama gave when he addressed the NRA convention.
     
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  14. slingshot1943

    slingshot1943 salem or Well-Known Member

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    Those European governments are all leftist by American standards.
     
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    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Democrates was Socrates' cousin. :laugh:
     
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    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    Yes, Switzerland is a developed country, but their gun laws are not the best. They do indeed keep their service weapons at home, but that's about it - no carry, no private ownership of machineguns, no suppressors. Also it is not the gun rights they vote on, but policy.
     
  17. juandelaselva

    juandelaselva Boring Sandy Gresham Member

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    Without actually defining the terms "leftist" and "rightist", it is difficult to follow some of ya'll's logic.
    To many people, "leftist" means big government, lots of centralized control (e.g. Nazi Germany, USSR, etc.).
    Similarly, "rightist" government generally means (again, to many people) individual responsibility and individual liberty.

    "left" and "right" get thrown around a bit without being defined... and when presented a counter argument, their definitions are conveniently changed. I am not declaring that my definitions above are THE definitions, rather, they are the definitions/framework I use.

    Therefore, our current form government is "leftist" and has been well before Reagan took office; it is not a Democrat = good, Republican = bad argument (or vice versa). By the same logic, Iran, Burma, Afghanistan have "leftist" forms of government.
     
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  18. AlphaCoyote

    AlphaCoyote Oh, I get around. New Member

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    So name a rightist government. Define it however you want. And tell us about how their gun laws compare to those of the U.S.

    Anyone? Juan? Slingshot? Jamie?

    In fact, name a single country of any political leaning you'd be willing to live in where the gun laws are better than those in America.

    Or heck, name even a single country you wouldn't want to live in where the gun laws are better than those of America.
     
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    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    Basically the point is not in left or right, but in authoritarian vs libertarian... also got to remember that analysis is always cumulative - folks might be 95% libertarian, but still be anti-gun...
     
  20. AlphaCoyote

    AlphaCoyote Oh, I get around. New Member

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    Name a single country that has better gun laws than those we have in America. If you can (and I can't think of even one), would you want your family to live there?