What guns are NOT drop safe?

[KKG]

So Series 80 was the total BS everyone says?

As an Army Small Arms Repair Specialist(45B20), Senior Small Arms Inspector(1st Calvary Division '70 RVN), and Pistolsmith for the Detonics .45 Associates Company I would have to say YES the Series 80 is an example of an unnecessary and useless design feature. But, that's just the short answer.

 

[bbbass]

Part of it was short anyway.

I wasn't doubting you, just asking your opinion. Now I know it is a "learn-ed" opinion.

 

[cigars]

No firearm should be considered "drop safe" and handled with as much care as is physically possible. As a matter of fact, if you drop your weapon just get on down in the front leaning rest position and beat your face for 100 push-ups imagining that ol' Stomper the Drill Sgt. is yellin' at you and questioning your family genetic co-mingles....

Drop! Drop! Drop! Private!

 

[Pops1911]

I am supposing that no loaded firearm should be considered totally drop safe. Let's be careful out there gang.

 

[Certaindeaf]

I know firsthand that a .25acp Raven is not drop safe.. even from about eighteen inches.

 

[Certaindeaf]

The Smith and Wesson revolvers with the firing pin on the hammer..

Never heard a that. Did you get an owie?

 

[mrorca]

Are you talking about chambered/cocked with the safety off or on... Safety off like most people would drop might be more likely to discharge. Especially if someone has done trigger work.

 

[Kruel J]

Sig P320. Mic drop (but not gun drop)

 

[KKG]

If I'm not mistaken this the gun just determined to be "The Gun" of choice for the US Military. Sounds like APG is missing something. Truly a sad state of affairs.

 

[Koda]

anything with a free floating firing pin.... like the AR15. AK47...

 

[KKG]

Personally and Professionally, I never saw anything Wrong with the 1911A1 that could Not be over come with a bit of the proper training and the purchase of the right Numbers of replacements. I've heard that more and more of them are being taken out of "mothballs" so to speak for use by the Military because they have finally determined that the 9mm is a failure when it comes to True stopping power. It's about time.

 

[Koda]

1911 Series 70?

I will have to disagree because of the truly Fine John M. Browning design involved which includes a floating firing pin. Yes, in can happen but not likely.

So Series 80 was the total BS everyone says?

the Series 80 wasn't a waste of time.

Here is a video of a 1911 failing a drop test the Series 80 was invented to prevent.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Are you talking about chambered/cocked with the safety off or on... Safety off like most people would drop might be more likely to discharge. Especially if someone has done trigger work.

No, we're talking magic here.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Andy is all going "dang it!".
well, never know

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Actually I did say that...
Andy

Andy is all going "dang it!".
well, never know

 

[KKG]

That looks like a drop test that was done a number of years ago and was later determined to have been using a modified gun. I've done the FBI Standard test on a number of Firearms and using non modified Guns, both the 1911A1 Series 70 and the Detonics .45 Associates Pistols passed the test. I think I'll go along with those tests as apposed to something done in somebody's Garage under questionable conditions. Thanks anyway.

 

[Koda]

That looks like a drop test that was done a number of years ago and was later determined to have been using a modified gun. I've done the FBI Standard test on a number of Firearms and using non modified Guns, both the 1911A1 Series 70 and the Detonics .45 Associates Pistols passed the test. I think I'll go along with those tests as apposed to something done in somebody's Garage under questionable conditions. Thanks anyway.

how was that gun modified? How was the procedure different than the FBI Standard test?

 

[KKG]

The details of the FBI tests are not mine to give out. I will say that if this is the same "test" presented at the time, and it appears to be, the gun was found to have been "tuned" by an unqualified individual. The trigger pull was below Colt Factory Standards.

The FBI tests use only Factory Standard firearms.

 

[Koda]

The details of the FBI tests are not mine to give out. I will say that if this is the same "test" presented at the time, and it appears to be, the gun was found to have been "tuned" by an unqualified individual. The trigger pull was below Colt Factory Standards.

The FBI tests use only Factory Standard firearms.

I thought the 1911 issue here was the inertia firing pin from muzzle impact? The trigger cant depress in that direction even if the grip safety failed the half cock wouldn't. Is there another way the gun could have been tuned to fail that test?

 

[KKG]

I'm not going to waste any more time on this subject. I could write page after page but I won't.