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Thank you for saying this. On this and several other threads, I have seen a tendency to make blanket statements that group anyone who does not 100% echo Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, etc. as one of those "gun grabbing liberals." The fact is that most Americans fall somewhere in the middle of the political spectrum--picking and choosing their beliefs on issues from both sides of the aisle. When we mix issues (ie. healthcare and guns, abortion and guns, religion and guns) we immediately narrow the field of people who are "on our side." Most Americans are pro gun rights.....BUT, that is not the most important issue for many of those people. Given a choice between gun rights and (insert issue here), many Americans will go with the issue that is more important to them. AND...many of those folks that consider themselves pro-gun may see the issue as an area where certain compromises can be made. If we alienate them, they have no incentive to listen to our argument.

:huh: Those guys don't even have the same political points of view. They each harp on their own soap box. I've listened to several of them and if you put them all in the same room they'd cut each others throats to get to the mic first:D
 
Why do they repeatedly refer to gun owners/carriers as: Neanderthals, ignorant, paranoid, redneck, knuckle dragging kooks etc?
While my experience is anecdotal and in no way scientific, a lot of times this is true.;);)

You know, it's not very often that I get one of you guys to admit you do things like this. But there it is in black and white!
Thanks for being honest at least. Now we know you are part of the problem, rather than part of the solution. The antis seek to divide and conquer, and you are clearly aiding and abetting.
Love the wink-wink too by the way. <--(Can I get any more sarcastic?? I don't think SO.)



Beware the subtlety of today's tyranny, it's often in the form of ridicule.
 
Originally Posted by cameronhu View Post
I think the first thing to do, is to stop equating "liberals" with "anti-gun advocates."
BUT, While my experience is anecdotal and in no way scientific, a lot of times this is true.;);)
Then again, the teacher could be an Obama drone trying to indoctrinate your brother into the new world order/communism/socialism/fascism.(sarcasm noted)
BUT,while my experience is anecdotal and in no way scientific, a lot of times this is true.;);)
 
I seem to have touched some nerves here, ie.
You know, it's not very often that I get one of you guys to admit you do things like this. But there it is in black and white!
Thanks for being honest at least. Now we know you are part of the problem, rather than part of the solution. The antis seek to divide and conquer, and you are clearly aiding and abetting.
Love the wink-wink too by the way. <--(Can I get any more sarcastic?? I don't think SO.)

So, I need to clarify. While not all of my gun owning friends are Neanderthals, ignorant, paranoid, redneck, knuckle dragging kooks etc---All of the Neanderthals, ignorant, paranoid, redneck, knuckle dragging kooks etc that I know are gun owners.

I poke fun because I myself fall into the paranoid category. I am friends with plenty of rednecks and my forehead gets bigger every year (part Neanderthal or male pattern baldness?).

The fact is that I fall on more liberal side of the political spectrum. When I talk to my liberal friends, I can have an open discussion about guns because they have to ask themselves, "I agree with him on everything else, am I missing something here?" My redneck hunting buddies say, "well he likes guns, maybe he'll change his mind on single payer healthcare." NOTE: I won't.

Just as many on this forum see liberals as panty-waisted kooks because they feel they have nothing in common with them, those liberals often feel the same way. When you find ways to view other people as "not one of us," it becomes very easy to discount their opinion. Both sides do it.

My suggestion: If you want someone to see your side of the gun issue, find areas where you agree and work from there.
 
I seem to have touched some nerves here, ie.

So, I need to clarify. While not all of my gun owning friends are Neanderthals, ignorant, paranoid, redneck, knuckle dragging kooks etc---All of the Neanderthals, ignorant, paranoid, redneck, knuckle dragging kooks etc that I know are gun owners.

I poke fun because I myself fall into the paranoid category. I am friends with plenty of rednecks and my forehead gets bigger every year (part Neanderthal or male pattern baldness?).

The fact is that I fall on more liberal side of the political spectrum. When I talk to my liberal friends, I can have an open discussion about guns because they have to ask themselves, "I agree with him on everything else, am I missing something here?" My redneck hunting buddies say, "well he likes guns, maybe he'll change his mind on single payer healthcare." NOTE: I won't.

Just as many on this forum see liberals as panty-waisted kooks because they feel they have nothing in common with them, those liberals often feel the same way. When you find ways to view other people as "not one of us," it becomes very easy to discount their opinion. Both sides do it.

My suggestion: If you want someone to see your side of the gun issue, find areas where you agree and work from there.

Whatever. You don't know anything;)
 
Talk to your children!! Teach about guns, give hands on instruction, and above all else tell them how wrong there teachers are, encourage them to stand up for the constitution where ever it is being bashed. Especially in the class room; one adamant child in a classroom can completely derail that type of anti teaching.
 
Talk to your children!! Teach about guns, give hands on instruction, and above all else tell them how wrong there teachers are, encourage them to stand up for the constitution where ever it is being bashed. Especially in the class room; one adamant child in a classroom can completely derail that type of anti teaching.


We have taught my little brother well. They will not be changing his views on the Bill of Rights. However, something has to be done so that they don't have a captive audience to push partisan politics on. The first time my brother spoke and made a point on the subject, the teachers told him to shut up, that they are the only ones speaking on this topic.

Again, I don't care if someone believes in a single payer health care system. I don't care if they believe in abortion. I don't care what they believe in. That is their right. It is not their right to push it in public schools.
 
Have him demonstrate his first amendment rights of freedom of speech; tell him to not allow his view to be "shut up." His display of freedom will teach the others more than that teacher.
 
"Shut up", they say? I know I'd be putting on the ol' SMACK DOWN on a few teachers had that been MY child... its REAL easy to push around a bunch of kids... lets see them try that crap in the "big boy" sand box... the pukes!! :angry:
 

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