what are the consequences?

[edison bulb]

Solution: Friends and family will continue to buy and sell guns amongst themselves without the pesky background check. There is, afterall, no proof that this transaction couldn't have occurred prior to the passing of this bill.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

I believe they have another couple vids that go on for about an hour. I already watched those last year but they were informative and infuriating

There's vids of the Police looting Walmart. There's stories of Police killing innocent People with no cause.

 

[U201491]

Well they might learn the real definition of Postal .
A nation of them.
People that have little else to lose and that value their true freedom
are the most dangerous people on earth when the things they do have
left are threatened.

 

[TastyWheat87]

Solution: Friends and family will continue to buy and sell guns amongst themselves without the pesky background check. There is, afterall, no proof that this transaction couldn't have occurred prior to the passing of this bill.

Scenario 1: Serial number indicates that the gun was manufactured AFTER the bill went into effect.

Scenario 2: Gun was traded in to a dealer, or someone complied with a background check creating a record of transfer.

Scenario 3: New model, not previously in existence prior to bill passage.

The firearm community needs to quit being so subdivided and stand up to this bubblegum. Lazy bastards don't vote, we end up with idiots in office and this is how things go. Pacific Northwest is too full of people who think blue is a good idea. I used to be one of those people, so I am proof that individuals can wake up.

Get active, or we're just a few years from being like Australia.

 

[Just Jim]

Big difference before 941 was "oh they would never do that", better start thinking "what is next" because there is no accountability and they do what they want.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

Here's what about 16 legislatures signed onto in Oregon in 2013: HB3200 would have first required you to register your firearms (the bill allowed you to keep one semi-auto) to make it easier to know what you have (not everything is in the system). Then you had 30-90 days (I don't remember which) to destroy, transport them out of the state, sell them to a gun-store, or turn them into police. Just about everything EXCEPT a military maneuver. They were going to be looking for law-abiding to follow governments commands and do the work for them. No need to try and take everything at once. They know the answer to the question "how do

Thanks for bringing HB3200 up! I've been meaning to look that up again. If they had their way (if they win another Election that is!) We will see a semi-auto ban of some sort. Any you are allowed to own will maybe be allowed to be Grandfathered in. It will be illegal to own it without Registration though. You will not be allowed to leave the State with it and at your Death it is to be turned in and destroyed!

All these things and more were proposed by them in 2013! Look it up, with lots of pushback they lost.

They got smarter this time around though. Even with a Super Majority they left the semi-auto/mag cap thing alone. They are patient, don't want to tick off every gun owner just yet.

You see, some on this very Forum are A-Okay with SB941, SB-945 and whatever else they get passed this time around.
Some of us here think these restrictions will work to stop guns from getting into wrong hands. Oh sure they know logically only an infinitesimal fraction of bad people will not be able to figure out how to skirt the Law to get a gun but........
If it saves one life. That's the saying they keep repeating, that and loophole! Well there will always be just one more damned loophole won't there be?

So they don't help to stop a Super Majority of anti-gunners getting Elected. They don't write and call their Reps in opposition.

I don't fault these people for believing Our Super Majority of Democrat Legislators with a Progressive slant will be happy to stop with the gun restrictions they get this time around. With all their lies they are very convincing! I just ask them to take a look at what they tried to pass last time! Here's a brief summary.

 

[edison bulb]

Be afraid. Get out your debit card and start giving money to OFF and the NRA. Talk with friends, family, coworkers about their rights.

I've found this has been a good way to reason with those on the fence about guns: "Isn't it reasonable to distrust the rationale of different forms of gun control when that is the same government that shoots unarmed black men, NSA PRISM rules over us, and we're generally living in a police state?"

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

I believe they have another couple vids that go on for about an hour. I already watched those last year but they were informative and infuriating

here's the cops looting walmart/Katrina vid

 

[ZigZagZeke]

I wonder if you guys see the future, they tell you to turn in your guns or they stop you bank account, pension,healthcare, utilities and divers lic. If they don't know you have them then they can't demand them. Don't buy any guns registered under the new system and they will have no proof you own a gun.

They won't come to your house cause it would start a civil war. But they can prove you own a gun if it's registered and then you will bring it in to them.

That's why I now own every kind of firearm I could conceivably want in the future. And they were all sold for cash at some point prior to today too, with no paperwork. I predict a run on large diameter ABS pipe and pipe caps at some point in the future. An AR when taken down fits nicely into a large diameter piece of ABS hermetically sealed with cemented on caps and buried somewhere on public land. Only the GPS coordinates need be retained and they can be encoded.

 

[Asp]

Fema death camps

 

[Just Jim]

Clear as day what will happen yet I can't get guys to help with a boycott of Oregon. It all started in Washington state with 594 and their owner registration. Bloomberg is buying every states corrupt politicians with 30 pieces of silver to get registration pushed through. Once they know every gun owner then they have the power to take them without ever firing a shot.

They call you and give you 10 days to turn your guns in or you have your bank account frozen, your pension frozen, you lose your job and they take away you healthcare. They have the banks watching to see if you draw out cash to run or fight and won't let you. The pull your drivers lic so you can't run, if they see you with their road cameras you are done.

You want to fight back but who would you fight? Nobody is coming to your door and the cops are not threatening your life. Then you realize it is the federal beuracrats that you need to go after but they have armed them all and stockpiled billions of bullets and tons of food for this fight.

If you turn in your guns the "beast" has won. The beast is the computer system that runs your lives today. You can't buy or sell without its use, it follows you everywhere you go and knows all you do. It watches you and what money you spend and what products you buy. It knows what movies you watch and who your friends are. It watches you as you drive the roads and go into the market.

How will we get people to wake up and help turn the beast against itself? We are in the beast and can use its power to fight back. We can start with a boycott of the corrupt to take their money they use to run the beast. We can be the cancer that kills it. It starts with a boycott of Oregon.

 

[Just Jim]

Once you turn your guns in you are a slave and they will run your life. You will shut up and do as you are told. They will tell you what you can or can't own, where you will work. How much heat you can have and how much water you can use. Ya'll better figure out what they can do once your guns are gone.

 

[deadeye]

Solution: Friends and family will continue to buy and sell guns amongst themselves without the pesky background check. There is, afterall, no proof that this transaction couldn't have occurred prior to the passing of this bill.

Damn right brother (2)
<broken link removed>
or are you my uncle (2)....http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/uncle

 

[dude23]

Just Jim, the next step will be prohibition.

I believe the next (major) step will be a restriction on standard capacity magazines & then ammunition & components. It's much easier to effectively neuter private small arms by a lack of munitions than an outright ban or confiscation. Then they will go after the black rifles & AK's & eventually we end up like England or France.

It's the controllers favorite method of increasing their power (and I don't mean the lap dogs in Salem & DC, I'm talking about their paymasters - owners & board members of multinational corporations & international finance), death by a thousand paper cuts otherwise known as boiling frogs. These people don't think about time like average people do, they think in terms of generations & centuries. They have all the time to wait as they harness more money & power for their heirs to rule over a finely tuned planet of TV zombies slaving at WalMart for a new iPhone.

 

[CoastRange57]

J-J I think that is a much more likely route because I do believe most military personnel would not comply with confiscation orders. But bankers and other govt official sure as Hell would

The bankers, other stake holders and various corrupt government groups officials will form their own "rogue"militas or armed forces ,well armed and financed and all will attempt to defend their interests, and take over other interests as well. It will be various types of fighting with early attempts to coalesce power, equipment in suitable numbers to overpower the competing militas, removing their leadership and forcing the rank and file to be loyal to the new leadership

Models may not exist in the US for precedent on this, but those models have been used extensively in feudal and tribal warfare, particularly in Africa for well over 60 years. Throwing those states and countries into a constant state of civil war and conflict, with huge civilian body counts from collateral damage. In most of these situations, there was no one single strong national military group, but rather splinter groups that aligned with the various warlords and groups.

These groups will fight primarily over high value commercial targets, infrastructure and delivery systems and other systems that control the populace and their needs. Lack of and control of food, utilities and medical care will prove critical to what ever group desires to maintain the strongest hold on the populace. Armed individual resistance will be quickly crushed, or forced to align with one of the warring factions.

Study of 10 years of conflict in Somolia, from about 1990 to 2002 gives a good insight to what stand off civil war is all about. A good read on this is Battle Ready by Tom Clancy with almost the entire book penned by General Tony Zinni. A very good look at what you could see in the US, but with great implications in my opinion due to smarter and better trained leaders, and much better arms.

 

[dude23]

I try to not think in a box. You won't have to use force if you know what someone owns. All the guns bought before this law could have been sold many times over in private sales with no record. Once the system is in place they will have on record both the gun and the owner. Once they know who the gun and owner is they can use any number of ways to make you turn them in. They will know what you have by record and demand you turn it in under force of law.

That force may be anything from stopping your bank account ( and they know every penny in it) to taking away your job. They won't even fire a shot, they will know everything about you so you can't run or hide and even have your picture so they make sure when they cancel your passport they have the right person.

If they don't know you have it then they can't demand it. They won't go door to door, you will walk in and give it to them.

I believe the massive amount of control over a person that works for a large corporation was the motive for urbanization, that as well as having the workers children in public schools where they can all be indoctrinated to follow the status quo. A person & their family has an immense amount of freedom if they own their own small business or are mostly self sustaining like farming.

The monopolization of business by corporations wouldn't have been possible to the extent it is now without the urbanization that occurred in the last half of the 20th century

 

[CoastRange57]

Urbanization of the populace itself into tightly contained centers of like minded people, (what up Portland liberal sheeple??) who has long as their daily lattes, Friday night micro brews are not disturbed could care less about personal freedoms. These groups are already under control and pose no risk.

Outside of urban centers you still have the suburban affluent who also could care less about anything as long as their 150K a year jobs at Intel are not affected. These two groups have been carefully groomed and targeted to elect the state government and officials we currently have that can pass legislation to enact their socialist agendas, with nary a nod to the opposition.

Living outside urban areas is good, but I am still too close to be unaffected. Couple of friends over on the east side are in much better shape, as long as they can hold the Bend hipsters at bay. I am going to be in a position soon to possibly purchase two properties, one on the coast and one off grid about 30 miles NW of John Day. I may not ever live at either one of these properties, but getting them in the family for the younger generation to utilize one day.

 

[Just Jim]

Again, I take this fight on in a peaceful manner. The boycott is a peaceful way to fight back and take the money they use to control us. Any who want war understand this fight is not about violence. We use the power of the beast to boycott. It's at your fingertips, learn how to fight or you will be a slave in 10 years.

 

[Koda]

I believe the next (major) step will be a restriction on standard capacity magazines & then ammunition & components. It's much easier to effectively neuter private small arms by a lack of munitions than an outright ban or confiscation. Then they will go after the black rifles & AK's & eventually we end up like England or France.

It's the controllers favorite method of increasing their power (and I don't mean the lap dogs in Salem & DC, I'm talking about their paymasters - owners & board members of multinational corporations & international finance), death by a thousand paper cuts otherwise known as boiling frogs. These people don't think about time like average people do, they think in terms of generations & centuries. They have all the time to wait as they harness more money & power for their heirs to rule over a finely tuned planet of TV zombies slaving at WalMart for a new iPhone.

I agree, there will be many steps taken before all out prohibition and it wouldnt surprise me if mag capacity was next... then firearms with certain "features" (ar/ak...).

another step they will take is mandatory registration of any grandfathered "assault" rifles (pre 941).

ive heard people say they wouldnt comply because if they didnt no one would know what they have, which is true.... but really, what that means is owning contraband you really cant do anything with. Might as well store a 10lb bag of heroin in your safe....

the fallacy of many gun owners is they are blind to what the antis are really working towards. All anyone needs to do is go visit their webpage and read all the different ballots they are working on in the other states..... if you make a list and add up everything there wouldnt be any rights left at all...... no, its not ever going to stop and yet I continue to hear some gun owners say they dont have a problem with background checks, or "temporary" gun domestic violence restraining orders, or "their not coming to take your guns", etc. etc.

So what are the consequences for letting ANY gun control ballot pass? Go visit their webpage and find out....

 

[Just Jim]

It won't matter what mags you have when you turn in your guns and you will turn them in if they are registered. Don't register your guns if you want to keep them, if they are registered they will be the property of the state before long. Just think it out and where the future takes you.