What are "Reasonable Restrictions"?

[etrain16]

So either the Rule of 18 or the Blackjack Rule, but one consistent Age of Majority for everything, and just for simplicity let's make that the Age of Consent too.

There you go talking all reasonable and sh!t - of course they'll never go for that!!

 

[Boboclown]

There you go talking all reasonable and sh!t - of course they'll never go for that!!

Nah, we're all unreasonable for caring about our rights. Don't ya know, we need to give up everything and not think for ourselves.

 

[bralko85]

If it exists and I can afford it...I can own it.

 

[watermerc]

Blackwater can work for whomever... They're PMCs, what separates them from mercs (illegal) is pretty much one has beauracracy and the other doesn't. We can't have the U.S being hypocrites after all.

No they cannot. You need a DOS (Department of State) permit to export military rated hardware, persons, or expertise (knowledge) to a third party entity.

 

[AMT]

I was talking with a friend of mine about the 2A. He brought up a very good point. When the Constitution was being written, it was being written for the absolute latest, greatest and most modern firearms of the time.

That should be the way it is meant today!

 

[Boboclown]

No they cannot. You need a DOS (Department of State) permit to export military rated hardware, persons, or expertise (knowledge) to a third party entity.

So bureaucracy.

 

[alv7722]

Nah, we're all unreasonable for caring about our rights. Don't ya know, we need to give up everything and not think for ourselves.

Our Civil Rights are delineated even before voting rights. Can you imagine the uproar if the ghetto rats were told they can no longer vote for their 'free stuff', because they are too stupid???

The Mind Police will be coming for you, shortly!

 

[alv7722]

And while you give in to "reasonable" restrictions we're going to get trampled.

The only 'restriction' necessary, was handed down by Moses, long before guns were invented: "You shall not kill". Not religious, just a good moral value that I don't think is taught much any more?? Could solve a lot of our problems??

 

[alv7722]

You keep using the word "allow". No one is allowing anything. The whole point is that there is no good way to stop random shootings. Do you really believe that you can remove every gun from the face of the planet? That is what it would take for so called gun control to actually work. You can't do it, so it won't work. Get it? Your so called compromises are just incremental movements toward that unachievable goal. Those who are opposed to gun control realize that each incremental step to disarming the people will actually make us less safe. We understand that the strategy is death by a thousand cuts. Every "common sense" gun control measure is just one more step in that march toward total banning and confiscation. Since no gun control law ever actually produces its intended result, the next "common sense" law is waiting to be trotted out. In the process, our God given rights are being eroded until they are gone, and for no good reason.
GUN CONTROL DOESN'T WORK!

Has anyone mentioned our country's experience with PROHIBITION??? Worked out really well, no one was killed. We had an idyllic society. Damn drunks took it away from us!!

 

[JadeFox]

I had this dream the other night....my ol' man came home with a LAWS rocket! I yelled at him...."how much did you pay for that!?" I woke up thinking....hmmm....maybe ....

 

[DuneHopper]

I was talking with a friend of mine about the 2A. He brought up a very good point. When the Constitution was being written, it was being written for the absolute latest, greatest and most modern firearms of the time.
That should be the way it is meant today!

Its actually quite simple, and in a chapter in my upcoming book.
I write about how the Government reaffirmed many times what the 2nd Amendment implied, and was
not in some stuffy chamber.

Here is a tipdbit.
There was no policy in place when Hoovers FBI began carrying firearms, it was not approved by any agency.
And when he was arming the agents, he explained clear they had the right to be armed agents under the 2nd Amendment because they were citizens. Not because they were a militia as that make no sense. But simply because they were people taking arms to work. Not until later would congress approve a firearms budget, but even them no special privileges were needed, because they already had one the 2nd Amendment.

 

[ma96782]

Should individuals be permitted to have nukes?

Don't know exactly. But, I believe that it's the prohibition on having/possessing the fissionable material(s) is what keeps nukes from being built and kept for private usage.

OK, Ok, ok....perhaps, splitting hairs.

Sort of like (according to some people) having to undergo a BGC and paying for it, isn't considered an "infringement". And of course, I disagree.

Aloha, Mark

 

[thorborg]

There are no such things as "reasonable restrictions" when the restrictions are never ending.

That's just plain tyranny.

 

[ma96782]

Registration of firearms has historically been the first step to confiscation by tyrannical governments. We cannot count on electing people who will respect our rights. Look at California.

Or note what happened here.....

America Truly is the Greatest Country in the World.


Don't Let Freedom Slip Away

By: Kitty Werthmann

What I am about to tell you is something you've probably never heard or will ever read in history books.

I believe that I am an eyewitness to history. I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history. We elected him by a landslide - 98% of the vote.. I've never read that in any American publications. Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.


In 1938, Austria was in deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our workforce was unemployed. We had 25% inflation and 25% bank loan interest rates.

Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily. Young people were going from house to house begging for food.. Not that they didn't want to work; there simply weren't any jobs. My mother was a Christian woman and believed in helping people in need.. Every day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry people - about 30 daily.


The Communist Party and the National Socialist Party were fighting each other. Blocks and blocks of cities like Vienna, Linz, and Graz were destroyed. The people became desperate and petitioned the government to let them decide what kind of government they wanted.

We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany, where Hitler had been in power since 1933. We had been told that they didn't have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living. Nothing was ever said about persecution of any group -- Jewish or otherwise. We were led to believe that everyone was happy. We wanted the same way of life in Austria. We were promised that a vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and help for the family. Hitler also said that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms back. Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler for our ruler.


We were overjoyed, and for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades. The new government opened up big field kitchens and everyone was fed.

After the election, German officials were appointed, and like a miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was created through the Public Work Service.

Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the home. An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn't support his family. Many women in the teaching profession were elated that they could retain the jobs they previously had been required to give up for marriage.

Hitler Targets Education - Eliminates Religious Instruction for Children:

Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good public school. The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our schools.

The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler's picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn't pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we sang "Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles," and had physical education.

Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance. Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum. They were told that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail. The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination. The rest of the day we had sports. As time went along, we loved it.. Oh, we had so much fun and got our sports equipment free. We would go home and gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had.

My mother was very unhappy. When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn't do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be grateful. There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun - no sports, and no political indoctrination. I hated it at first but felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on

holidays, I went home. I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing. Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me. They lived without religion. By that time unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for Hitler. It seemed strange to me that our society changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn't exposed to that kind of humanistic philosophy.

Equal Rights Hits Home:


In 1939, the war started and a food bank was established. All food was rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps. At the same time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn't work, you didn't get a ration card, and if you didn't have a card, you starved to death. Women who stayed home to raise their families didn't have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for men.

Soon after this, the draft was implemented. It was compulsory for young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps. During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys. They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the signal corps. After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were used in the front lines. When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat. Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack. I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the labor corps and into military service.

Hitler Restructured the Family Through Daycare:

When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers. You could take your children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government. The state raised a whole generation of children.. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.

Health Care and Small Business Suffer Under Government Controls:


Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienne. After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.


As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables. Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because people might bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar. He couldn't meet all the demands. Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control.

We had consumer protection. We were told how to shop and what to buy. Free enterprise was essentially abolished. We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers. The agents would go to the farms, count the live-stock, then tell the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it.

"Mercy Killing" Redefined:


In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps. The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated. So people intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded.

When I arrived, I was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did good manual work. I knew one, named Vincent, very well. He was a janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van. I asked my superior where they were going. She said to an institution where the State Health Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write. The families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they could not visit for 6 months. They were told visits would interfere with the program and might cause homesickness.

As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not fooled. We suspected what was happening. Those people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6 months. We called this euthanasia.

The Final Steps - Gun Laws:


Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long afterwards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.

No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.
Totalitarianism didn't come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria. Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.
After World War II, Russian troops occupied Austria. Women were raped, preteen to elderly. The press never wrote about this either. When the Soviets left in 1955, they took everything that they could, dismantling whole factories in the process. They sawed down whole orchards of fruit, and what they couldn't destroy, they burned. We called it The Burned Earth. Most of the population barricaded themselves in their houses. Women hid in their cellars for 6 weeks as the troops mobilized. Those who couldn't, paid the price. There is a monument in Vienna today, dedicated to those women who were massacred by the Russians. This is an eye witness account.

"It's true..those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity. America Truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don't Let Freedom Slip Away."

"After America, There is No Place to Go"

Part of the problem lays with what history/how history.....is thought in our schools.



Then.....
VOTING for the wrong person(s) can be much more dangerous than my mere gun.

Huh?

Think of how even a VOTE for someone, can go so very wrong......example: A.H.

A.H. was elected by the German people/his party. I doubt that A.H. actually killed anyone (except for his time in WWI). But, his policy and laws, certainly did.

So then, even on it's most basic level.....shouldn't we be assured, that only eligible citizens vote?

Should be a "No brainer". Rrrrright.

But when you think about it..... The SCOTUS has forbidden election officials to even ask for an ID in order to vote (in some states).

Humm….. And so, why is it necessary to undergo a BGC, examine health records and pay fees in order to exercise my RIGHT to keep and bear arms?

Clearly, an INFRINGEMENT....I say.

Aloha, Mark

 

[Joe13]

None.

Everything else is treason.

 

[ma96782]

You tell me...…
Reasonable and common sense, according to whom?

The Democratic Party? Any of the numerous anti-gun organizations? Or any of the numerous anti-gun individuals?

In case you didn't know...….

Taken from: Party Platform - Democrats

Preventing Gun Violence
With 33,000 Americans dying every year**, Democrats believe that we must finally take sensible action to address gun violence. While responsible gun ownership is part of the fabric of many communities, too many families in America have suffered from gun violence. We can respect the rights of responsible gun owners while keeping our communities safe. To build on the success of the lifesaving Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, we will expand and strengthen background checks and close dangerous loopholes in our current laws; repeal the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) to revoke the dangerous legal immunity protections gun makers and sellers now enjoy; and keep weapons of war—such as assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines (LCAM's)—off our streets. We will fight back against attempts to make it harder for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to revoke federal licenses from law breaking gun dealers, and ensure guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists, intimate partner abusers, other violent criminals, and those with severe mental health issues. There is insufficient research on effective gun prevention policies, which is why the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention must have the resources it needs to study gun violence as a public health issue.

They're reasonable people. Rrrrright?

Sorry, not in my dictionary.

Aloha, Mark

 

[bobdog308]

You people are seriously uneducated idiots that also have no real world military experience to base your banter off of. My god...and I know this because I have sold weapons to at least two of you. bubbleguming just quit. Most of you work in cubicles and have wives that take care of "things" for you.

 

[Boboclown]

That's an awfully big assumption to make based on meeting only at least two people from the forum. Didn't know I work in a cubicle, or that I got married.

How drunk could I have been for that to happen in one night?

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Lets all remember Rule Number One here...Be excellent to each other....
No more with the name calling please.
Andy

 

[ma96782]

I'm not married and I certainly never worked in cubicle. More like my Dept's Patrol Car. Besides, I don't ever recall buying or selling guns to bobdog308. So.....should I be insulted or relieved? Or just confused by his post? LOL. Is that how the rest of the world sees us at NWF?

Aloha, Mark