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What a coincidence...every gun low and to the left.

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by PlayboyPenguin, Feb 12, 2011.

  1. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    I went out shooting today. I took six guns and put about 500 rounds downrange. They were mostly .40S&W (SIG P250c, SIG P250sc, Kahr K40, Glock 23) but I also took a .45acp (SIG P220 ) and a 10mm (Glock 29).

    Talk about a coincidence, all six guns were shooting about 2" to the left and about 3" down. Every single one of them.

    It has to be the guns. I know I could be that bad a shot. ;) :eek: :paranoid:

    On a serious note, I injured my shoulder last night working out and it is odd to see how profound an effect it had on my shooting today. :)
     
  2. SnapShot

    SnapShot walla walla Member

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    most low and left shots are a result of trigger control, and what Massad Ayoob called milking.

    "“Milking,” taken from the hand’s movement when milking a cow’s udder, occurs when the index finger closes on the trigger and the other fingers sympathetically close with it, changing the grasp and pulling the sights off target. Most commonly, this will pull the shot low and to the side of what you were aiming at. It is a function called “interlimb response.” When one finger closes, the other fingers want to close with it. " (Ayoob, How to shoot a handgun accurately by Massad Ayoob Issue #85)

    could be your grip strength was lessened by your shoulder injury and this was occurring.
     
  3. ejmpnu92

    ejmpnu92 Hillsboro, Or Active Member

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    Hmmm, maybe you just need to aim 3" up and 2" to the right. Sounds like you had pretty consistent groups if they were all the same.
     
  4. marty8587

    marty8587 NE Portland Active Member

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    At my range there is a really old chart that shows different groupings and the probable reasons for them. I have used it many times to correct myself. Maybe you could look at the NRA sight to see if it is there as this is who put it out.
     
  5. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    I know the chart you are talking about. I do not need it today though. I knew what the problem was this time.
    I was definitely tightening my grip. My injured shoulder was making me very noticeably over compensate by trying to grip tighter on the gun when I fired.
     
  6. marty8587

    marty8587 NE Portland Active Member

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    Glad you got it figured out.
     
  7. olydemon

    olydemon Olympia Active Member

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    Sounds like you should have put your targets a little further up and to the right... haha.

    Last time out I was out my shots were mostly low and to the left. Good to know I was "Milking" it.
     
  8. Spitpatch

    Spitpatch Forest Grove, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Allow an expert to contribute here: If everything out of the muzzle is low and left, your guns are becoming democrats. Buy them memberships in the Heritage Foundation and they will be on the road to recovery.
     
  9. 9MilMan

    9MilMan Milwaukie Active Member

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    I would love to see this chart. Is it available electronically anywhere?
     
  10. BillM

    BillM Amity OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Many version out there. I think the original was part of an Army training manual. Here is one that's printable
    as a target. http://www.users.interport.net/g/w/gwhite/DIAGNOSE.PDF
     
  11. dnmz

    dnmz Port Angeles, Wa. Member

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  12. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    There has to be a liberal joke in there somewhere! :paranoid: :bluelaugh:
     
  13. 9MilMan

    9MilMan Milwaukie Active Member

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    Thanks for these charts. I think they'll help me with my pistol shooting. On an unrelated note, I just requalified on the M16 (Air Force) and, once again, missed expert by only two rounds. So frustrating!