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West Marine Stores. As Of 12/4/14 Flare Guns Are Firearms In Washington State?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by BoatRanch, Dec 4, 2014.

  1. BoatRanch

    BoatRanch Back and forth between Port Townsend and Alaska Member

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    My buddy's wife wife is the Inventory Manager at West Marine Supply Store.
    They are a Nationwide Chain with several stores here in Washington.
    She was directed to pull all flare guns from the shelves as of today's date, as a result of the new gun law I-594 going live today.
    Flare Guns? Really?

    Idiocy? Yes!

    I can only assume that all other places who sell flare guns will have to do the same?
    Cabelas, Harbor Marine, Bass Pro-Shops, etc. etc. etc.
     
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  2. solv3nt

    solv3nt Portland Well-Known Member

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    I594 defines a firearm as:
    (9) "Firearm"
    means a weapon or device from which a projectile or
    projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.
    http://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/FinalText_483.pdf

    Which means that flare guns, cement nail guns, and avalanche howitzers are all firearms that require a background check.
     
  3. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    < Why they don't have school shootings in Israel.
    Notice the long gun slung over the teachers shoulder?

    Under WA law, flare guns have long been considered a firearm. I-594 just made people realize it.

    Deen
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  4. SX200

    SX200 WA New Member

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    Does that mean I'm comiting a fellony if I drive over the border and buy one in Portland OR or purchase one online?
     
  5. solv3nt

    solv3nt Portland Well-Known Member

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    Washington law doesn't apply in Oregon....
     
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  6. SX200

    SX200 WA New Member

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    Bass Pro will ship a flare gun to my home just had a chat with them.
    I'm told no restrictions.
     
  7. solv3nt

    solv3nt Portland Well-Known Member

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    If you live in Washington, Bass Pro shop will be breaking the law if they ship it after i594 goes into effect.
     
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  8. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Not only do you need the background check but you have to pass it too.
     
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  9. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    Best buy your flares now before KitzHitler declares them a destructive device
     
  10. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Actually they are already in violation even BEFORE 594 went into affect as I posted earlier. You should read RCW 9.41's definitions before modified by 594.

    Previous to I-594 it reads:
     
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  11. Who The F R U

    Who The F R U Rainier Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Legally,By Federal definition (And Yes WA definition as well)
    They are a PYROTECHNIC Launcher,NOT A Firearm.
    If converted to fire any type of standard rifle,Shotgun ,Or pistol ammo that's another story.
     
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  12. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    < Why they don't have school shootings in Israel.
    Notice the long gun slung over the teachers shoulder?

    Please go read the definitions contained in RCW 9.41, (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010) it doesn't matter what you THINK the law says.

    The LEGAL definition of a firearm in WA is and has been for years:
    And a flare gun or concrete nail gun fits the legal definition and has for many years here in WA. It's just the with 594 in place people (well some anyway) are finally reading the law.

    Deen
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    "Having a gun is like a parachute, if you need one and don't have it you may never need it again"
     
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  13. Who The F R U

    Who The F R U Rainier Oregon Well-Known Member

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    When was the last time ANYONE filled out a 4473 for a flare launcher???

    You can read whatever you want into the law.
    They are not firearms.

    They are NOT a firearm as defined by the gun control act,Unless converted to fire CONVENTIONAL Ammunition.

    There is a section in the ATF handbook for dealers that deal's with:
    "Converting pyrotechnic launchers into DD's or SBS's"

    02/07 ffl
     
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  14. oknow

    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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    I know a lot of construction workers that are not gonna be able to buy their nail guns now. They Won't be able to pass the background check.
     
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    Brigadier WA Member

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    According to that law quoted, fireworks would also be considered firearms, no? It depends on who is reading/interpreting the law and with what motive.

    (9) "Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder."
     
  16. 8ball

    8ball WA Quit talkin' and start chalking!

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    Fireworks are exempted in the RCW, as posted elsewhere in the forum.

    Flare guns and nail guns are not.
     
  17. Who The F R U

    Who The F R U Rainier Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Just decide to not comply.
    Shall Not Be Infringed is pretty clear.
     
  18. captqc

    captqc Tigard Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    What a piece of dodo law! The truth of what it holds needs to be flushed into the light of day and then repealed. I'm sure that 90% of the folks that voted for it didn't read a word of the actual law. We Oregonians need to fight the move to put this same pile on us!
     
  19. BoatRanch

    BoatRanch Back and forth between Port Townsend and Alaska Member

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    You guys are going to have a fight on your hands. Don't let it sneek up on you in Oregon like we did here in Washington.
    "TAKU" here at NWFA seems to be pretty active in your state about fighting the similar law coming to Oregon
     
  20. captqc

    captqc Tigard Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    I joined Oregon Firearms Federation cause they seem to know how to deal with the political machine in Salem. I didn't see the NRA help Washington and I don't expect them to help here either. Hope I'm wrong.
     
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