We Will Pry Your Gun From Your Cold, Dead, Fingers

[MikeE]

Actually, I think Bateman succeeded brilliantly with his article. By writing a provocative piece, he was successful in generating extremist commentary all over the pro-gun community. Great. Like a trout on a fly.
Instead of pointing out how useless and extreme his 'solution' to violence is, and how beside the point it is to treating the real issues of lack of mental health care, and rampant poverty, we reply with d--- measuring and calls to civil war.
That might be great for folks recruiting for the extremist right wing, but to people on the outside looking in, who don't really care about guns but are afraid of violence, responses to Bateman make gun owners look like the stereotypes the media likes to portray.
If we want to preserve the 2nd A, we will need to approach people not normally reached by the pro-gun folks. Simple demographics.
When there's a call to ban guns due to inner city gang violence, we should call instead for a massive public jobs program.
When crazy men shoot up a mall, we should call for expanded mental health care.
Oh no! That means we can't make gun owning synonymous with Tea Party politics! We'll never do THAT. We'd rather lose the 2nd A .

 

[1337BaldEagle]

The nine-month limit on federal service was dropped, and the President was empowered to set the length of federal service. The ban on National Guard units serving outside the United States was also dropped,

He looses all claim to his argument when these amendments were made to the Militia Act of 1903.

 

[coop44]

There are many more veterans out here than active military and police combined. We have had much time to think on our service and why we served, if you wish to see an exercise in tactics and firepower come to my house. Comparing us to GB is nonsense, a disarmed socialist nation, is nonsense. Murders in this country have fallen from 6.6 per 100,000 to 3.6 per 100,000 According to a recent congressional study, and there are more guns than ever in the hands of Americans. Somebody should tell this idiot to return all the money he has accepted from the people, pack it up and leave the country. He sounds like a rich CEO trying to position his company to make more money.

 

[gaijinsamurai]

Actually, I think Bateman succeeded brilliantly with his article. By writing a provocative piece, he was successful in generating extremist commentary all over the pro-gun community. Great. Like a trout on a fly.
Instead of pointing out how useless and extreme his 'solution' to violence is, and how beside the point it is to treating the real issues of lack of mental health care, and rampant poverty, we reply with d--- measuring and calls to civil war.
That might be great for folks recruiting for the extremist right wing, but to people on the outside looking in, who don't really care about guns but are afraid of violence, responses to Bateman make gun owners look like the stereotypes the media likes to portray.
If we want to preserve the 2nd A, we will need to approach people not normally reached by the pro-gun folks. Simple demographics.
When there's a call to ban guns due to inner city gang violence, we should call instead for a massive public jobs program.
When crazy men shoot up a mall, we should call for expanded mental health care.
Oh no! That means we can't make gun owning synonymous with Tea Party politics! We'll never do THAT. We'd rather lose the 2nd A .

That's pretty much what I've been trying to say on other threads. I hate the gun-grabbers as much as anyone, but part of our struggle is a public relations war. The sad fact of the matter is that the majority of Americans are fickle sheeple, willing to vote however their current emotions dictate, without thinking about the long-term ramifications to their freedom, economic prosperity, or to what type of country we want to leave for our children and grandchildren.
Unfortunately, there are those amongst us, who instead of trying to engage in rational debate, resort to name-calling, questioning each other's patriotism, and accusations of being government spies.
We are going to lose if we don't start thinking with our brains, instead of our balls.

 

[Trailboss]

"We Will Pry Your Gun From Your Cold, Dead, Fingers"

No you won't, and you will not hear the shot either.

 

[Martini_Up]

That's pretty much what I've been trying to say on other threads. I hate the gun-grabbers as much as anyone, but part of our struggle is a public relations war. The sad fact of the matter is that the majority of Americans are fickle sheeple, willing to vote however their current emotions dictate, without thinking about the long-term ramifications to their freedom, economic prosperity, or to what type of country we want to leave for our children and grandchildren.
Unfortunately, there are those amongst us, who instead of trying to engage in rational debate, resort to name-calling, questioning each other's patriotism, and accusations of being government spies.
We are going to lose if we don't start thinking with our brains, instead of our balls.

Good luck with that. You're trying to be rational with people whom are emotional. Gun grabbers know the logic of all the gun control arguments don't work and don't care as they feel like it's a good idea. Any argument against taking guns away means you don't feel for those slain by the gun. In the end, emotion wins, takes less thinking and they take the freedom away from those that want to debate.

Those with balls and the brains to use them, they will fight the good fight. They will live free or die. They will inspire. They will lead by example.

Tyranny, it can't be reasoned with.

 

[gaijinsamurai]

I know there is truth to what you are saying, martini.

 

[simon99]

Good luck with that. You're trying to be rational with people whom are emotional. Gun grabbers know the logic of all the gun control arguments don't work and don't care as they feel like it's a good idea. Any argument against taking guns away means you don't feel for those slain by the gun. In the end, emotion wins, takes less thinking and they take the freedom away from those that want to debate.

Those with balls and the brains to use them, they will fight the good fight. They will live free or die. They will inspire. They will lead by example.

Tyranny, it can't be reasoned with.

Most people are easily manipulated. Our media pays people 24/7/365 to come up with new ways to typecast characters in the news to fit their agendas and line their pocketbook. The media, a puppet for the government, assists in the conformity of the masses under the direction of the highest bidder.

 

[gaijinsamurai]

I think we can connect with peoples' emotions just fine, when showing examples of otherwise defenseless women slaying their attackers with a couple of rounds of 9mm or .38, or with images of Jews being slaughtered by SS or Native Americans by our own government, or even with thoughts of looters when SHTF. What I'm talking about is parading around in public with an AK or AR at port arms, or shouting down those who think it's a bad idea, or threatening those who are wrong on the issue, but are potential allies who just need some convincing.

 

[U201491]

Actually, I think Bateman succeeded brilliantly with his article. By writing a provocative piece, he was successful in generating extremist commentary all over the pro-gun community. Great. Like a trout on a fly.
Instead of pointing out how useless and extreme his 'solution' to violence is, and how beside the point it is to treating the real issues of lack of mental health care, and rampant poverty, we reply with d--- measuring and calls to civil war.
That might be great for folks recruiting for the extremist right wing, but to people on the outside looking in, who don't really care about guns but are afraid of violence, responses to Bateman make gun owners look like the stereotypes the media likes to portray.
If we want to preserve the 2nd A, we will need to approach people not normally reached by the pro-gun folks. Simple demographics.
When there's a call to ban guns due to inner city gang violence, we should call instead for a massive public jobs program.
When crazy men shoot up a mall, we should call for expanded mental health care.
Oh no! That means we can't make gun owning synonymous with Tea Party politics! We'll never do THAT. We'd rather lose the 2nd A .

Socialist solutions do not solve criminal problems !

 

[MikeE]

Socialist solutions do not solve criminal problems !

Yeah. Slogans work much better.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Yeah. Slogans work much better.

Like a "massive jobs work program" for criminal scum?

 

[MikeE]

Like a "massive jobs work program" for criminal scum?

Ignore activated.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Ignorance is bliss. The white house is full of that about now

I don't have you on ignore and will counter your folly at every step

 

[erudne]

He plays Lord Ha Ha to Holder's Goering
These PPL may look the fool but they are playing for keeps. I would sincerely suggest that you ditch your cell phone as many will be grabbed under the guise of a simple traffic stop and the Cell Phone is the perfect tracking device.
You are on a list, believe it!

 

[simon99]

Actually, I think Bateman succeeded brilliantly with his article. By writing a provocative piece, he was successful in generating extremist commentary all over the pro-gun community. Great. Like a trout on a fly.
Instead of pointing out how useless and extreme his 'solution' to violence is, and how beside the point it is to treating the real issues of lack of mental health care, and rampant poverty, we reply with d--- measuring and calls to civil war.
That might be great for folks recruiting for the extremist right wing, but to people on the outside looking in, who don't really care about guns but are afraid of violence, responses to Bateman make gun owners look like the stereotypes the media likes to portray.
If we want to preserve the 2nd A, we will need to approach people not normally reached by the pro-gun folks. Simple demographics.
When there's a call to ban guns due to inner city gang violence, we should call instead for a massive public jobs program.
When crazy men shoot up a mall, we should call for expanded mental health care.
Oh no! That means we can't make gun owning synonymous with Tea Party politics! We'll never do THAT. We'd rather lose the 2nd A .

And who pays for those massive public jobs programs for all those fine, upstanding inner-city youth?

 

[Blitzkrieg]

And who pays for those massive public jobs programs for all those fine, upstanding inner-city youth?

We do, it's called wealth distribution or more commonly, communism

Take from those with the means and distribute to those with the needs

Irrespective of behavior or merit

In reality we have been doing this since AFDC, food stamps, welfare and the rest have been in existence. Call it a bribe to not be rioting

 

[simon99]

We do, it's called wealth distribution or more commonly, communism



Irrespective of behavior or merit

In reality we have been doing this since AFDC, food stamps, welfare and the rest have been in existence. Call it a bribe to not be rioting

I know Blitz....I was just being sarcastic. I guess these guys on the forum think there is magic pixie dust that suddenly creates jobs out of nothing....

 

[Blitzkrieg]

I know Blitz....I was just being sarcastic. I guess these guys on the forum think there is magic pixie dust that suddenly creates jobs out of nothing....

Merely elaborating for the casual reader, bro

 

[salmonriverjohn]

That's it I'm placing all of you on ignore for at least one more post