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"WE IS THE ENEMY!"

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by dario541, Jan 13, 2011.

  1. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    Down through the last few years American Legislooters have passed massive amounts of unConstitutional anti-gun legislation. And, they are not done yet! They are like rats that just keep on gnawing away at something until it is totally destroyed.
    According to most reliable sources, there are more tham 80,000,000 gun owners in this country. So, how do the gun-grabbers get away with this? In my opinion the biggest enemy that gun owners have is a lot of other gun owners. As anybody can read on this site, there are many people who think that "reasonable" gun laws are ok. You often see posts where it is opined that this or that congress person does not really want to take away guns in spite of his or her rhetoric. Some say that we shouldn't have high capacity semi-automatic guns. A few have said that nobody needs to store away 1,000 or more rounds of ammo. Others have said something like this: "I don't care if they ban handguns as long as they let me keep my rifle." Some love anti-gun politicians for whatever reason. And so it goes. But, look at all of the countries where there is a total BAN on ALL guns! They never did this in one fell swoop, but by the bit by bit approach.
    In my humble opinion, all gun owners should adopt a ZERO TOLERANCE toward ANY governmental trampling of our Second Amendment RIGHTS! Just because YOU don't desire a certain firearm does not mean that another person has no Right to it! There are enough of us that I believe that if we all stood together with the attitude that any attack on ANY of our Rights will not be tolerated, we could stop these thugs dead! I think it was Patrick Henry who said: We should hang together or we will all hang separately!
     
  2. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Odds are that since the socialist have run education for so long that the majority of educated gun owners will give up their guns if a law is passed. The educated have too much to lose if they fight for gun rights so they will turn to sheep ie slaves. Just like in the American revolution only a few stood up.

    jj
     
  3. jimwsea

    jimwsea Vancouver, Washington state Active Member

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    Only about three to five percent participated.
     
  4. tlfreek

    tlfreek Vancouver WA Active Member

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    i love my guns and the right to have them, but I sometimes wonder...what would it be like if we all gave up our guns. Would the US be a better place? i know i know no one would have guns, but criminals, that is somewhat true just as it is in other countries like Canada and the UK for hand guns, but in the long run would we fair better as a society.....????

    before you guys crucify me too badly, I am expecting some strong responses, but dont blame me for asking a question we should all be asking.
     
  5. Well I guess I'll be king of America when you all hand over your guns. I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident.
     
  6. NuthinFancy

    NuthinFancy Seattle Area Active Member

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    I doubt it.

    As true today as it was then.
     
  7. MarkAd

    MarkAd Port Orchard Well-Known Member

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    **** NO! Look at Britian and Austrialia. Sinc there gun bans crime continues to rise and become more violent.
     
  8. naludiablo

    naludiablo Washougal New Member

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    I believe guns are for the most part illegal in mexico. Look how thats going for them.
     
  9. ogre

    ogre Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin
     
  10. tlfreek

    tlfreek Vancouver WA Active Member

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    just found this on the TCGC website.

    MYTH: "Countries with strict gun laws have less crime"
    Russia, Mexico, South Africa and Brazil have very strict gun laws and much higher crime than we do. Switzerland has almost 100% handgun ownership. They even have shooting competitions for teenagers. Their murder rate is lower than England, where handgun ownership is banned. Violent crime in England has risen since the ban. If guns caused crime, Switzerland would be the most dangerous nation on earth, rather than one of the safest. Finland has higher per-capita gun ownership than America, and they also have lower crime rates. Israel has 40% higher gun ownership, and near zero murder, except for terrorists. New York, California, Chicago, and Washington DC have the strictest gun laws in America, and the highest crime rates. Virginia borders Washington DC, yet it has few gun laws and far fewer violent crimes. Vermont has the least restrictive gun laws in America, and their gun crime rate is 48th out of 50 states. Every state that started allowing average citizens to carry concealed weapons saw a decrease in violent crime over the ensuing years. Gun laws have been proven to make things worse, not better. (Prof. J. Lott, More Guns, Less Crime, 1998)

    Think about it - if you were going to go on a shooting rampage or robbery spree, would you do it where the people are armed, or where the laws forbid your intended victims from having guns? If you doubt this, you can do your own experiment: Post a sign in front of your residence:
    THIS HOME IS PROUD TO BE GUN FREE
    Let me know how it went for you.
     
  11. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    According to most polls the NRA is the most effective lobby there is, and that's with only 4 million members. Just think of what they could accomplish with 80 million members? Some people say the NRA is too soft on laws and doesn't work hard enough, others say it's too radical for them. The net effect is splintering the NRA's backing. How do you fight for ALL gun owners when only a few support them?

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  12. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    So, how would only allowing the criminals to keep their guns help? The "law abiding" citizens would give up theirs but the criminals wouldn't have to. Remember there is a court decision that says a criminal's tools of the trade arre not subject to regulation. If laws outlawing guns are passed a criminal can't be charged with having an illegal weapon.

    Also, when crime figures are adjusted for differences in reporting and population the crime rate in Canada and Great Britan is a lot higher than in the US. The murder rates haven't gone down in Canado or GB, the criminals have just started using different tools. The rate of home break ins in GB where people are home has skyrocketed and citizens have been prosecuted and jailed for protecting themselves even when no firearms are used.

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  13. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Let me ask you, was society better when there were no guns?

    jj
     
  14. Swedish K

    Swedish K SW Washington Moderator Staff Member

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    The phrase "And Samson said, With the jawbone of an ***, heaps upon heaps, with the jaw of an *** have I slain a thousand men." comes to mind - people have been killing / beating / robbing each other since before recorded history and will continue to do so regardless of weapon.

    If you look at crime rates in Australia climbed in general after their gun ban. Assaults went up steadily for the 6 years following the ban. Armed robbery went up (depending on which stats you look at) between 171% and 300% over the 2 years following the ban. The only definitively positive effect shown by the ban was a downward trend of suicide by firearm - even this is offset somewhat by an increase in suicide by other methods.
    There are other things to take into account regarding the Aussie ban - a friend who lives down under told me that in the last several months before the ban it was nearly impossible to find large size pvc/abs pipe and end caps - it sold out as soon as it hit the hardware store shelves. there are thousands of guns and tons of ammo packed away in pipe buried in the outback with nothing but a set of GPS coordinates to locate them. An admittedly conservative estimate of privately owned firearms prior to their "buy back" was about 4 million guns. The gun buy back netted a mere 643,726 guns. That number is offset by the roughly 100,000 guns that were imported and sold during the buyback period. They allowed import and sale of the same firearms that were being banned while the buyback was occurring. Oddly enough accidental gun deaths went up after the ban went into place. The explanation for the accidental gun death and gun injury accident rate increasing is that people hid the guns instead of keeping them locked up (look officer the safe is empty they were lost/stolen/sold) and when others found the guns they improperly handled them resulting in accidents. It is also contributed to people buying guns just prior to the ban off the books and not having a source proper safety training.
    What I take from Australia's ban is that it created somewhere north of 1 million criminals if they are ever caught for illegal possession of the 3 million + unaccounted for guns, it also increased violent crimes for at least a 6 year period after the ban before leveling out because criminals knew that it was highly unlikely that their intended victims would either have guns or if they did they were hidden away where they couldn't get to them in time to be used for defense. In short gun bans do the opposite of what they are intended to do.
     
  15. madcratebuilder

    madcratebuilder Ardenwald, OR Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it was tragic when my boat collided with yours, both sinking to the bottom of Crater Lake, all those guns, so sad.
     
  16. eldbillbo

    eldbillbo clackamas New world samurai and a redneck none the less Bronze Supporter

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    Got to keep in mind that there are anti gunners left over from election time, they just stir the pot create doubts and try to sway those who are on the fence. There really needs to be a warning sticky posted about these people . They are obvious

    They will create doubts , discredit sources , criticize every pro gun organization , tell you the only good gun is the one that cost more than you can afford . or just pose as jerks so you someone new to guns walks away thinking gun owners are a bunch of jerks. they are clever .
     
  17. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    My ancestors were amongst them. If I live to see part 3 of the Revolution in working condition.. I will participate
     
  18. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    No, we shouldn't. Free men are armed and slaves are not
     
  19. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Oregon Well-Known Member

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    It reminds me of the quote attributed to Martin Neimoller:
    Substitute gun terms and it looks something like :

    First they came for the Full Autos, and I did not speak out --
    Because I did not own a machinegun.

    Then they came for the Assault Weapons, and I did not speak out --
    Because I had no interest in an assault weapon.

    Then they came for the handguns, and I did not speak out --
    Because I only had hunting rifles.

    Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.



    Stand together or fall, there is no other option.

    The first sentence has happened. The second one is in progress...
     
  20. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Since no one else is going to do it


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