Washington State HB 1286 and SB 5340 banning the sale of Assault Weapons and large cap mags

[Andy54Hawken]

Let us hope ALL gun owners think, speak and act with CONVICTION and COURAGE. Wake up.

I said nothing about not speaking with conviction and courage..Nor do I need to "wake up."

To make myself more clear :
Like it or not...what you say and do , when in the public eye , regarding firearms , can be seen as how all gun owners think , feel , say and do.

Wanting to be careful in what you say and do has nothing to do with a lack of conviction or courage..It simply means that I am moderate in my speech and actions , until I am needed to be otherwise.
Do not mistake a moderate voice for a lack of either conviction or courage.
Andy

 

[Heyjoe]

Do not mistake a moderate voice for a lack of either conviction or courage

Bang!

You da guy, Andy!

 

[nwheavy75]

Today, Kris Ann Hall, many of You may know this lawyer, breaks down the initiative 1639.

 

[Arejay]

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A perspective on how far the Republic has come since the eighties

 

[DivCurlGrad72]

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A perspective on how far the Republic has come since the eighties

That's what I call great progress. Let's hope, or better, make sure, the future portion of this animation doesn't look like the current animation in reverse.

 

[dancinghippos]

MYTH: Police want stricter gun laws
TRUTH: Some police chiefs, mostly political appointees, may echo their big city mayors. But police on the street overwhelmingly support gun rights for citizens without police records. These are just three of many links:

https://www.quora.com/What-do-polic...ement-professionals-think-of-gun-control-laws

Police Gun Control Survey: Are legally-armed citizens the best solution to gun violence?

What do police officers think about gun control: National survey by PoliceOne tells all (Joe's Outdoor Office)

Google or DuckDuckGo (they don't track you) can find you more links to more surveys.

 

[shibbershabber]

MYTH: Police want stricter gun laws
TRUTH: Some police chiefs, mostly political appointees, may echo their big city mayors. But police on the street overwhelmingly support gun rights for citizens without police records. These are just three of many links:

https://www.quora.com/What-do-polic...ement-professionals-think-of-gun-control-laws

Police Gun Control Survey: Are legally-armed citizens the best solution to gun violence?

What do police officers think about gun control: National survey by PoliceOne tells all (Joe's Outdoor Office)

Google or DuckDuckGo (they don't track you) can find you more links to more surveys.

I wish they would be more vocal... More and more they are under the same threat with movements to disarm cops too.

They WILL be next

 

[dancinghippos]

I wish they would be more vocal... More and more they are under the same threat with movements to disarm cops too.

They WILL be next

Agree. But the people with the cameras and microphones have peer pressure to NOT look for opinions that go against the gun control narrative. Thus the police officers would need to seach out reporters and press their case. That is career risk. So these surveys need to be pushed out to the public and the reporters.

 

[dancinghippos]

I have some experience "fighting city hall" on another topic, years ago. Here is what I learned:

1: Most politicians care most about their re-election. Therefore, the most voices will sway them
2: They need a good excuse to justify changing an already-stated opinion. You have to give them one. When you email or write or call, you should give good reasons that are easy to understand and repeat to others.
3: Your good reason(s) should be solid logic that can't easily be shot down
4: Never embarrass your team. Never threaten violence. Never be one of "those" people they use as justfication for confiscating your means of defense.
5: You and everyone you know should flood their phones, emails and snail-mail with communications
6: When they see which way the crowd is going, they will use some of those "good reasons" to justify voting with the crowd.
7: Therefore, MAKE A CROWD. Flood them with emails, phone calls and letters.

In summary: They must see a hurricane of polite but firm emails, phone calls and letter. The hurricane must contain lots of justification for voting YOUR WAY.

Democrats claim to be for protecting minorities. Show them how gun control hurts minorities in every era. Are you Jewish? "I am afraid for my children" African American? Same. LGBT? Same. Any member of any group has at one time or another in the last century been persecuted. Tell them how guns even the odds between bigots and their intended victims. There are plenty of stories.

Find any reason. Then hammer them. IT IS THE FLOOD OF MAIL THAT MAKES THEM VOTE YOUR WAY. It is the quality of the mail that gives them an excuse to vote your way. The noise you make wins.

Get everyone you know to participate. Help your 90-year old grandmother.

Go to the legislature website for your state.
Washington:
Legislature Home
Oregon:
This links to the Oregon state house. Find your representative. Call AND email them.
House RepresentativesAll

This links to the Oregon state senate. Find your senator. Call AND email them.
Senate SenatorsAll

Print 100 copies of this for each gun club and gun store in your area. Take them there.

More material is below. Copy and reprint with pride.

 

[dancinghippos]

MYTH: You don't need guns. The police will keep you safe.
TRUTH: When seconds count, the police are 10-20 minutes away. They write good reports, and sometimes catch the criminals after the fact. How did that do the victims any good? Do you want to ban your own ability to defend your family?

MYTH: Police want stricter gun laws
TRUTH: Police chiefs, mostly political appointees may echo their politicians. Police on the street overwhelmingly support gun rights for citizens without police records. These are just three of many links:

https://www.quora.com/What-do-polic...ement-professionals-think-of-gun-control-laws

What do police officers think about gun control: National survey by PoliceOne tells all (Joe's Outdoor Office)

Police Gun Control Survey: Are legally-armed citizens the best solution to gun violence?

 

[dancinghippos]

MYTH: "You can't defend against a modern army, so the Second Amendment is not relevant to today's conversation"

TRUTH: An armed citizenry makes the cost of an invasion unacceptable. Remember the 2003 Iraq war? Saddam's military fell in 41 days. But the fighting lasted until a new US president withdrew the troops in 2011.

Most of the time, when a political class wants to harm "those people", whoever they are, they won't tie up soldiers and police. They will look the other way for local gangsters or hate groups. Weapons to defend against those types work very well, because the thugs aren't willing to trade their lives for the thrill of bullying innocents. In Bull Connor's Birmingham, Alabama, Condoleezza Rice' father formed a neighborhood watch program. The cops tried to interfere, but the Second Amendment won out. Pol Pot in Cambodia, and Sudanese and Ethiopian leaders used preteen and teen age children to do their dirtiest work. On populations that had first been disarmed.

 

[dancinghippos]

MYTH: "Incidents like the Parkland shooting demand gun control"

TRUTH: Deaths from mass shootings get all the headlines, but they are extremely rare compared to other violent crime, even now. There have been 1135 mass shooting deaths since 1966 (Washington Post). That represents less than 2 years in Chicago. Same for many other big cities where guns are almost banned. That doesn't support the gun control narrative, so it is ignored.

The ice.gov website enumerates 2038 homicides committed by illegal immigrants they deported in 2018 and a similar number in 2017. So border control would stop more deaths every year than the total number of mass shooting victims. Good to stop crime, but bad for politics, so they keep that information quiet.

The Parkland shooting was a textbook case of failure of "the authorities" we are supposed to depend on for protection. The authorities tell us: "See Something, Say Something". Local residents called the Broward Sheriffs to the shooter's home 45 times. No arrests, because the Broward County Sheriff chose to take money from the PROMISE program to divert teen offenders to counseling instead of arrests. Residents called the FBI twice. No arrest, even after Cruz posted a video saying he wants to be a school shooter. With no arrests, Cruz passed the background check to buy the murder weapon.

The authorities say the police will protect us. Yet the four Broward County deputies who were on the scene when Cruz started shooting kids stayed outside. The Sheriff ran to a CNN "Town Hall" event to blame the NRA for the murders his deputies let happen. This sequence of real events would fail the smell test for a TV drama.

 

[dancinghippos]

People who ignore murder laws aren't going to obey more gun laws. They weren't obeying the other gun laws when they did their other killings.

 

[dancinghippos]

Great Britain has authorities surfing social media for any hint of thinking outside the box. America doesn't want to be America anymore. The opposition has an army of devotees always evolving always learning never sleeping. Sure their here. They're everywhere now.

Like religious zealots without a real religion to guide them

 

[wa_cowboy24]

Many "thanks" to greedy MS, Amazon, Expedia, Sea-Tac, etc. for bringing tens of thousands of liberal voters from India, Pakistan, Somali and all over the world to WA.

Sadly, with technology comes progressivism and many of the high tech jobs are filled by citizens of socialist countries. If you take a hen out of the hen house is it still a hen?

 

[bentoncity]

2019 Wa. state elected yahoo list so you can write to them..

Dan

 

[shibbershabber]

Spoken like a true gutless, cowardly dolt who has NO BUSINESS calling himself an American. Now is NOT THE TIME FOR MODERATION, BOZO! You have already shown your true colors; don't try to weasel out of same. Goodbye, NW firearms forum! I have better things to do than state the obvious to those who have their heads up their azzes! THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE CHICKENSH*TS DESERVE EVERYTHING YOU GET DUE TO YOUR COWARDICE AND PATHETIC EXCUSES! OUR FREEDOMS CAME FROM AND WILL BE PRESERVED AT THE COST OF BOTH BLOOD AND TREASURE! WAKE UP!

You have already shown that your knowledge of our nations founding and what the founders truly did and stood for to be massively lacking.
Once again, Mr. Do Nothing has become Keyboard Commando who is the sole arbiter of patriotism.

Now you are berating yet another member here about whom you know nothing.....

Yet you have not taken a single sentence, in all of this blathering, to tell us what it is that we should be doing or what it is that you will be doing about all of this?

Sitting at home on your bubblegum "resisting" does nothing for ours or your liberty... nothing to those who seek to destroy our rights... nothing to restore what has been taken, etc...


Pumping your fist and marching around your living room aint making it so whats YOUR grand plan there, chief?

 

[American123]

Spoken like a true gutless, cowardly dolt who has NO BUSINESS calling himself an American. Now is NOT THE TIME FOR MODERATION, BOZO! You have already shown your true colors; don't try to weasel out of same. Goodbye, NW firearms forum! I have better things to do than state the obvious to those who have their heads up their azzes! THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE CHICKENSH*TS DESERVE EVERYTHING YOU GET DUE TO YOUR COWARDICE AND PATHETIC EXCUSES! OUR FREEDOMS CAME FROM AND WILL BE PRESERVED AT THE COST OF BOTH BLOOD AND TREASURE! WAKE UP!

Please don't go, we will miss you so much! What will we do without you. Your presence here has been so uplifting and beneficial to any and all who have had the privilege to interact with you.

Mmmkay. Bye!

 

[slimmer13]

Spoken like a true gutless, cowardly dolt who has NO BUSINESS calling himself an American. Now is NOT THE TIME FOR MODERATION, BOZO! You have already shown your true colors; don't try to weasel out of same. Goodbye, NW firearms forum! I have better things to do than state the obvious to those who have their heads up their azzes! THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE CHICKENSH*TS DESERVE EVERYTHING YOU GET DUE TO YOUR COWARDICE AND PATHETIC EXCUSES! OUR FREEDOMS CAME FROM AND WILL BE PRESERVED AT THE COST OF BOTH BLOOD AND TREASURE! WAKE UP!

Someone's cranky. Did mom burn your pizza pocket?

 

[Kruel J]

Spoken like a true gutless, cowardly dolt who has NO BUSINESS calling himself an American. Now is NOT THE TIME FOR MODERATION, BOZO! You have already shown your true colors; don't try to weasel out of same. Goodbye, NW firearms forum! I have better things to do than state the obvious to those who have their heads up their azzes! THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE CHICKENSH*TS DESERVE EVERYTHING YOU GET DUE TO YOUR COWARDICE AND PATHETIC EXCUSES! OUR FREEDOMS CAME FROM AND WILL BE PRESERVED AT THE COST OF BOTH BLOOD AND TREASURE! WAKE UP!

Goodbye.