Washington State HB 1286 and SB 5340 banning the sale of Assault Weapons and large cap mags

[Aero Denezol]

While this is an issue, it's indicative of a larger problem. That's simply that a lot of people have no knowledge of, or respect for, the Constitution of the US.

It's simply not taught any longer in most schools, especially in liberal locations. What is taught is usually in the guise of how the Constitution is a worn out and outdated document that fails society at large.

That's exactly right. They teach kids that America is a fundamentally flawed country, broken from its inception, with a sordid history of genocide, robber barons, slave drivers, oppression and inequality i.e., exactly what the Communists used to teach kids about America. They imbue the kids with a sense of outrage. The kids then go out into the world with this idea that they have to "fix" America.

We had two girls go through public school, the last one graduating in 2017. I saw the homework assignments and I read the papers. They learned nothing about American History, or the Constitution.

 

[Mr Smith]

did my comments on the bills. Whether or not they listen is another story.

 

[GWS]

Here's the bill. This, plus 1639 effectively ends all semiautomatic rifle sales and transfers forever. Under 1639, you can't sell them out of state. Neither can gun dealers.

Here's the link to the bill Washington State Legislature

I think this is good news.
They are now banning interstate commerce? Talk about overreach. This will get overturned
In 15 - 20 years...

 

[Sporting Systems]

I think this is good news.
They are now banning interstate commerce? Talk about overreach. This will get overturned
In 15 - 20 years...

Actually, the first hearing in Federal court on this part of the lawsuit, is February 14

 

[shibbershabber]

What exactly is your point in this diatribe? You seem to exist in this thread to simply goad people into saying they are going to take up arms against those enacting and enforcing these laws.

My point is to call out the BS of gun owners who have done exactly ZERO to protect those rights over the years and now that things are coming to a head, they just decide to continue not getting involved because they are just not going to follow the law.

As if that is going to change anything... and then hide behind some cut and pasted quotes from the Founders to try and justify their positions and make the rest of us out to be boot licking freedom hating losers for being concerned about what is happening.


We have been facing stricter and stricter gun laws across the country and even more ridiculous liberal garbage being jammed down our gullets all while conservatives sit back and chew their nails over the qualifications of whichever Republican is up for election. Instead of getting involved.. voting these Republicans in and then holding their feet to the fire to ensure they represent us properly.... they stay home and bubblegum, and then talk big online.


Im sick of it. Ive been reading this crap from keyboard commandos for almost 20 years and the end result is more restrictions and NO restoration of rights.... aside from guns, we have also witnessed the rise of the radical left... I cant help but look at these conservatives who were too indignant to vote which allowed the libs to have easy victories and point the finger.

I have been active and fighting for the 2A for 20 years and Ill be damned if some do-nothings are going to tell me im some kind of coward.

Im not trying to goad anyone into saying anythings... its a rhetorical question meant to highlight the ridiculousness of their argument. The only two out comes of what they propose are death or imprisonment. Period.

In my opinion... THAT is the cowardice. THAT is giving up. Certainly not inline with the ideals that founded this country.

 

[Dwesson]

My point is to call out the BS of gun owners who have done exactly ZERO to protect those rights over the years and now that things are coming to a head, they just decide to continue not getting involved because they are just not going to follow the law.

As if that is going to change anything... and then hide behind some cut and pasted quotes from the Founders to try and justify their positions and make the rest of us out to be boot licking freedom hating losers for being concerned about what is happening.


We have been facing stricter and stricter gun laws across the country and even more ridiculous liberal garbage being jammed down our gullets all while conservatives sit back and chew their nails over the qualifications of whichever Republican is up for election. Instead of getting involved.. voting these Republicans in and then holding their feet to the fire to ensure they represent us properly.... they stay home and bubblegum, and then talk big online.


Im sick of it. Ive been reading this crap from keyboard commandos for almost 20 years and the end result is more restrictions and NO restoration of rights.... aside from guns, we have also witnessed the rise of the radical left... I cant help but look at these conservatives who were too indignant to vote which allowed the libs to have easy victories and point the finger.

I have been active and fighting for the 2A for 20 years and Ill be damned if some do-nothings are going to tell me im some kind of coward.

Im not trying to goad anyone into saying anythings... its a rhetorical question meant to highlight the ridiculousness of their argument. The only two out comes of what they propose are death or imprisonment. Period.

In my opinion... THAT is the cowardice. THAT is giving up. Certainly not inline with the ideals that founded this country.

I don't disagree with much of the sentiment in your reply, but I think you are directing some of that fire at folks who are both voting for the people on Republican ticket and/or supporting 2nd Amendment organizations.

I've already expressed my discontent for the liberal that owns a gun. The most courteous thing that I can say is that they are confused. I also recognize that owning a copy of a constitution doesn't make you conservative no more than owning a bible makes you pious. We, as gun owners, are under the mistaken impression that people that own guns and even shoot them regularly, are going to be against gun control, let alone vote for people that oppose it.

If you're a conservative that values your rights as enumerated in the constitution and you can't be bothered to vote for the people that have the best chance of winning AND protecting those rights, than yes I think those folks bear some of the responsibility for the situation we are currently in.

Maybe I am just a pessimist or a cynic, but barring the AWB sunset under Bush (who said he'd sign a new one if brought to him) the cause of the 2nd amendment has been in varying degrees of RETREAT. Whether you want to start with the NFA of 1934 or the GCA in 1968 or FOPA in 1986, the trend is clear.

Barring significant Supreme Court rulings that put an end to this, it's only a matter of time. You've seen the tactics change recently from nationwide bans to legislation at the state level to enact bans, supported heavily by outside money. Which has been made easier by the NRA's slowness to act on the state level.

If we are being honest, gun ownership in the country as it currently exists, will likely never be more free than it is now. You said it yourself, you've been active for 20+ years and it's gone the wrong direction for the most part. It's a sad, sorry reality.

Frankly, the best I think we can hope for is further balkanization and law enforcement refusing to enforce these laws.

I know I've started looking out of state..if only to prolong the enjoyment of our freedoms.

 

[DB is Here]

I know I've started looking out of state..if only to prolong the enjoyment of our freedoms.

After years of voting, working for candidates, sending money to the acronyms that defend our rights I too am looking to move elsewhere, not sure when but looking none the less. Maybe society has passed us by as we try to preserve what once was.

 

[Dwesson]

After years of voting, working for candidates, sending money to the acronyms that defend our rights I too am looking to move elsewhere, not sure when but looking none the less. Maybe society has passed us by as we try to preserve what once was.

I'm afraid that's the case. I hope it isn't, but the evidence seems to indicate it is:

Why So Many Millennials Are Socialists

and to be clear I probably fall into the millennial grouping depending on what year you start with. Between abdicating our schools to the left to the point that nearly 50% of 30 year olds favor socialism or unfettered immigration without reprieve:

Legal Immigration to the United States, 1820-Present

This country isn't the one my father group up in, and it's no longer the one I grew up in. I am sad, because when I have kids, they'll never know any different...

 

[DB is Here]

This country isn't the one my father group up in, and it's no longer the one I grew up in. I am sad, because when I have kids, they'll never know any different...

I get it, that said 3 of my 4 daughters are Libertarian/Conservative as my wife and I are. Just raise them with your principles and morals and they'll think a lot like you. I'm not giving up on the future generations just yet, many young voted for the current POTUS. It ain't over by a longshot.

 

[svxr8dr]

Frankly, the best I think we can hope for is further balkanization and law enforcement refusing to enforce these laws.

I know I've started looking out of state..if only to prolong the enjoyment of our freedoms.

This^

The Anti Folks are going to have to address the ever increasing non compliance movement. States like CT and NY have documented vastly larger groups of non compliance than those in compliance. How many magzines turned in in NJ? Yep Zero, Same with LA County. Even individual cities like Boulder CO have public mass non compliance. The anti's are go to have to bubblegum or get off the pot, either start arresting or killing non compliant gun owners and open the pandora's box that comes with, or realize they have done nothing but breed contempt for the rule of law and adjust according, hopefully to more USSC decisions getting the circuit courts to start listening to Heller. Non Compliance is not false bravado...non compliance is a more effcetive tool than is being given credit for.

 

[svxr8dr]

The Millenials are lost but Gen Z looks better and better all the time
Why Democrats Should Be Losing Sleep Over Generation Z

 

[Dwesson]

This^

The Anti Folks are going to have to address the ever increasing non compliance movement. States like CT and NY have documented vastly larger groups of non compliance than those in compliance. How many magzines turned in in NJ? Yep Zero, Same with LA County. Even individual cities like Boulder CO have public mass non compliance. The anti's are go to have to bubblegum or get off the pot, either start arresting or killing non compliant gun owners and open the pandora's box that comes with, or realize they have done nothing but breed contempt for the rule of law and adjust according, hopefully to more USSC decisions getting the circuit courts to start listening to Heller. Non Compliance is not false bravado...non compliance is a more effcetive tool than is being given credit for.

I agree this is our best recourse. Much like the way a lot of left wing states ignored the Federal laws regarding marijuana and refused to enforce the laws this is our best recourse. However, it's not unrealistic that under a more sympathetic DoJ, they turn the ATF loose in states, vs not doing so with the DEA.

I think our best hope for now is this case, which I believe is going to be heard by the Supreme Court:

Kansas Man's Homemade Suppressors Clash With Federal Law

If the supreme court rules these nullification laws are legal (long shot, I know) it would establish some bastions of freedom w/regard to the 2nd and make good holdouts. I personally would retire to Idaho or Montana if that were the case, even if it means temporarily relocating to a place like Texas for work, until I can financially do so.

 

[bentoncity]

Some thoughts..

1. Vote, but not for a party.
2. Recall, can be done but your tax dollars are used to fight you. Believe it! Been there.
3. Write a law that amends the current recall process because right now voters are "screwed".
4. Get new recall law passed.
5. File recalls against elected officials. Most likely loose but it makes great publicity.
6. Civil disobedience. Don't volunteer to give up anything you own. Magazines etc.
7. Write your elected officials. Every day! Be courteous even if it pisses you off.
8. Repeat #7
9. Request AG file charges for illegal action by elected officials. Like SOS Wyman accepting illegal ballots.
10. Take out informational ads in local papers.
11. Use social media for those that have/use it.
12. Write letters to the editor.
13. Support pro2A organizations that are using the courts. 1.Local~2. state~3. federal
14. Pass on any/all links that can be used to state/vote a position for/against any bills.
15. Write new laws we want/need and submit to SOS Wyman. Ferguson writes ballot title.
16. Fight ferguson in court over ballot title.
17. Collect signatures to actually place it on the ballot.
18. Make sure ballot has singular item, not 30 or 40 like I-1639
19. Quit bickering within. Be respectful of others opinions. Even if they're wrong.

...and very important.. go here, this is a link where you can find all the proposed bills and comment on them. (Be sure you search for a bill in the correct year)
Since these bills are being submitted to the Law and Justice Committee, you should also send your comments to each committee member located here. Right click on members name & select open in new tab. The page will allow you to send your comments/vote to the members even though you aren't in their district.
***This way your views will be heard across the board instead of just a few elected reps.***

I pre-built my comments (1000 character limit) and saved them to a file so I can copy/paste instead of re-typing.
Now go get em tiger..

Dan

 

[slimmer13]

I wonder if the pro GC people ever go on gun forums and pose as gun owners and post some really unhinged stuff to make us look like a bunch of Timothy McVeighs?

 

[Andy54Hawken]

I wonder if the pro GC people ever go on gun forums and pose as gun owners and post some really unhinged stuff to make us look like a bunch of Timothy McVeighs?

I would answer "Yes" to this question...That is something important to keep in mind.
Also I would add : Be careful and very clear with what you post.
Like it or not when doing anything firearm related , in the public view...your words and actions can be seen as how all gun owners think , speak and act.
Andy

 

[Andy54Hawken]

And in light of some current posts here in this thread....
Lets all remember rule Number One ..."Be excellent to each other".
Andy

 

[bentoncity]

#1. From the Benton County prosecutors office....
#2. Washington State gun bills

#1.
Mr Deckert,
To answer some of your questions.

Initiatives passed by the legislature are presumed constitutional according to our State Supreme Court. There are a number of cases for that principle, the recent case of Lee vs State, 185 Wn.2d 608 (2016) has an excellent discussion. Of course presumption does not mean infallible. The Lee case that I just cited is an example where the Court found the initiative unconstitutional.

I do not see any additional cost for the Prosecutor's Office in complying with the new mandates. We will comply with the criminal portions of the initiative just as we comply with any criminal statute passed by the legislature of initiative.

I do not plan on prosecuting any cases until the definition section takes effect.

#2.
During the January 24th executive session, the Washington state Senate Committee on Law & Justice voted to pass all of the gun control bills before them by a vote of 4-3. They will now go to the Senate floor for further consideration. Please contact your state Senator and urge them to OPPOSE these anti-gun bills.

On Tuesday January 29th, the Washington state House Committee on Civil Rights & Judiciary will be hearing House Bill 1315 to increase the red tape for law-abiding citizens to apply for a Concealed Pistol License. On Friday February 1st, they will be hearing House Bill 1346 to prohibit young adults under the age of 21 from receiving the vast majority of conventional ammunition available and House Bill 1319 to allow localities to infringe upon Second Amendment rights. Please contact committee members and urge them to OPPOSE House Bills 1315, 1319, and 1346.

Dan
For heavens sake people...call-write-put something together and speak out/up...make your voice heard.

Link to email addresses of state legislators..
and here's the addy of the House Civil Rights & Judiciary Committee

 

[Arejay]

I wonder if the pro GC people ever go on gun forums and pose as gun owners and post some really unhinged stuff to make us look like a bunch of Timothy McVeighs?

Great Britain has authorities surfing social media for any hint of thinking outside the box. America doesn't want to be America anymore. The opposition has an army of devotees always evolving always learning never sleeping. Sure their here. They're everywhere now.

 

[GWS]

Really
What was this thread about again?

 

[Andy54Hawken]

I have done a thread clean up.
Rule # 1 Be excellent to each other.
That means :
No petty bickering...
No trading of insults...
No name calling...

Thread will be closed if it continues.
Andy