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Putin op-ed article in the NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?hp

MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.

Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.

The United Nations' founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America's consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.

The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria's borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.

Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.

Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.

From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today's complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.

No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.

It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America's long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan "you're either with us or against us."

But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.

No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.

The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.

We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.

A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government's willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama, the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.

I welcome the president's interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.

If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.

My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States' policy is "what makes America different. It's what makes us exceptional." It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord's blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.
 
I think many people are missing the point that Russia (besides their nukes) are truly a mere shadow of themselves. There is no more viable WARSAW PACT. No East Germany, no Czechoslovakia, no Poland, no Ukraine, etc.
It the US wanted to act unilaterally on Syria we could and Putin wouldn't do a thing because he'd lose control of his power base (the generals, the KGB and organized crime). If our president had more backbone he would have launched is very tiny strike 18 months ago. He missed, that, like many opportunities and now he is being played and he fell for Putin's bluff. He'll do the same thing with Iran and Israel will act when it has to.

Brutus Out
 
I think many people are missing the point that Russia (besides their nukes) are truly a mere shadow of themselves. There is no more viable WARSAW PACT. No East Germany, no Czechoslovakia, no Poland, no Ukraine, etc.
It the US wanted to act unilaterally on Syria we could and Putin wouldn't do a thing because he'd lose control of his power base (the generals, the KGB and organized crime). If our president had more backbone he would have launched is very tiny strike 18 months ago. He missed, that, like many opportunities and now he is being played and he fell for Putin's bluff. He'll do the same thing with Iran and Israel will act when it has to.

Brutus Out

But 18 months ago Obama had Egypt as his Caliphate HQ and his Gun running for Al Queda had just begun, he had no desire to intervene because there were no Bengazi Murders to hide and his Domestic Spying and political oppression/vote fixing had yet to be discovered
 
So he wants to supply firearms to an enemy of the American People? Some/many of the firearms may fall into the "wrong hands" later and may be used against us? He is wanting to supply these other citizens/rebels with automatic weapons but not the American People?

Amazing isn't it?

Seeing as the most aggressive fighters there are the most radical, ie, Islamo-Facists they will by default end-up with the lion's share of weapons, above and beyond the 400 MANPADS they 'stole' in Bengazi
 
Godwin. Game over.

Wow that's dumb. Apparently, it's OK to act like Nazi's, because no one can call you out for it.

No, in fact, sometimes people do act like Nazi's. When they do, we need to call them as such. Having no argument for it and using an idiot named Godwin as a means to "win" arguments is the most ridiculous thing I've heard.

When people act like the worst thing in human memory, don't call them such, some buffoon with a Third Reich hard-on might call you out. What a sick joke.
 
The kids have a word for it: pwned.

Used in a sentence: Barack Obama got hard-core pwned by Vladimir Putin.

Pronounced: Powned. Definition: Completely dominated by an opponent.

Ugh. It was ugly. Vlad drove the lane and dunked in BO's face — then dissed his mother.

If ESPN showed the whole thing on replay, they'd go to super slo-mo at the end and some jock announcer would say, "Boom! Right there! Watch the head fake — skadoosh! Someone go pick up Obama's jockstrap!"

Let's recap: The 44th president gets his undies all in a wad after someone fires off some chemical weapons in Syria and kills 1,400 — never mind that 100,000 have died in the 2½-year-long civil war there, BO was up in Martha's Vineyard on the golf course when the gas hit, so that really ruined his game and wrecked his fun beach time. Someone must pay!

So the president announced he was going to fight a Democrat-style war, you know, lob a few bombs in, reduce an aspirin factory to rubble, but just for a few days, not so long it would push back next weekend's tee time. Boots on the ground? Hell no. Maybe no boots in the air, either: Just some drones, bombing some rocks in the desert, enough to make us all feel good at next weekend's cocktail party that someone somewhere was paying a hefty price for using those chemical weapons. For the children, darn it!

Then, seriously, the president went to play golf. Right after his urgent announcement. Urgency schmurgency.

Congress, meanwhile, wondered what all the urgent rhetoric was about.

Wait, it gets so much better. Then, days later, the president said, don't worry: It's not like, BOMBING bombing. It's a limited action — we don't want to, say, topple the guy responsible for gassing 500 children, we want to hit the three D's: Degrade, Deter, Drive It 300 Yards: Wait, just two D's.

The president said he had the mojo to go, but, just to be a total bro, he was gonna get the "all good" from his peeps in Congress. Unless they no go-ed. Then would he go? Wouldn't say. So just be cool and get on board, eh?

But Congress balked (maybe it was the phone calls running 100-1 against going to war in, where again, Syria?). And while the mainstream media busied itself bashing the GOP for suddenly hating war, it was the Cocktail Party Left (CPL) that really didn't want to muss its hair in Syria. Or ruin the weekend.

So, to the rescue, a warrior: swift boat cap'n John F. Kerry. During 1,259 hours of Senate hearings (over two days), the Vietnam vet who hated war (and, really, the American military as well, and, frankly, himself) said, no no, wait, whoa: This attack on Syria will be a pinprick, "unbelievably small."

Meanwhile, the president was in Sweden. Why? Who knows. "I didn't set a red line, the world set a red line," he said about the red line he set when he set the red line on Syrian chemical weapons. The next day, he was heading to Russia, but he wouldn't be meeting with that ol' meanie face Putin. That guy was being nice to an American who divulged an expansive U.S. program that, like the old USSR days, spies on all homeland citizens. Phooey to him.

So, despite the big "reset" of relations with Russia, Mr. Obama snubbed its president in his own country, called him a slouching schoolboy, then showed up late for dinner, miffing the host. Too soon, playtime in St. Petersburg was over and the president came home to D.C. and returned to — work, you're thinking? No, the golf course.

Back to the rescue came Secretary of State Kerry. Asked whether Syrian President Bashar Assad could do anything to avert the coming pinprick, Lurch said: "Sure, he could turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week." Boom, another red line. But the State Department quickly said, "no red, no red." Instead, their high school spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Mr. Kerry was merely making a "rhetorical argument."

Too late. Mr. Putin jumped in and offered to help broker the deal. In fact, he'd lead the whole thing — and take credit for it, too. But the White House said, wait, it was really our idea from the get-go, and when we had a secret meeting in Russia with Pooty Poot, we brought it up — first!

In the end, Congress bailed (don't expect a Syria vote), Mr. Obama and Mr. Kerry embarrassed themselves again, and Mr. Putin ended up lecturing America — in The New York Times, no less — about the misguided notion of American exceptionalism. Oh, and then the Russian president headed to Iran for some talks on helping the rogue nation get its nuclear program up and running.

Still, who could've seen such a development? Um, Mitt Romney. "Russia is, without question, our No. 1 geopolitical foe. They fight every cause for the world's worst actors," the Republican presidential candidate said six months before the 2012 election.

And how did Mr. Obama respond: "The 1980s," he said in a debate, "are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War's been over for 20 years."

Hardcore pwned.

Read more: CURL: 'Pwned' by Putin: Obama learns about the Cold War - Washington Times
 
The current prez just plain sux across the board, he can't lead overseas, he can't lead at home, the world's dictators play him like a bad fiddle. It is so sad MSM cannot show him for what he is. In over his head, overmatched diplomatically, unprepared, and worst of all a bloody Marxist. He has surrounded himself by poorly informed politicians. McCain May be slipping but he still out speaks and out comments Pelosi and Reed. It is time for his opponents to increase the pressure and this fiefdom will be brought down legally I hope. It may take till 2015 but I really think there are multiple smoking guns and if more than one are discovered even Apollo Ohno on PEDs and crack couldn't out skate the law of the land.
Find every fence sitter or lukewarm Obama voter you know from 2012 and gently and persuasively convince them to vote against the demos coming up in 2014 even if it's. Just the local fire marshal.
If I have to I am going to drive my adult kids down to register in the 3 different counties they are in if they haven't already. The price of victory for our
Way of life is not simply eternal vigilance, it's grass roots changing people's minds for 1 vote at a time.

Brutus out
Y
 
While many of the banker owned war hawks do have escape plans laid out for themselves, not all will be so lucky.


 
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The kids have a word for it: pwned.

Used in a sentence: Barack Obama got hard-core pwned by Vladimir Putin.

Pronounced: Powned. Definition: Completely dominated by an opponent.

Ugh. It was ugly. Vlad drove the lane and dunked in BO's face — then dissed his mother.

If ESPN showed the whole thing on replay, they'd go to super slo-mo at the end and some jock announcer would say, "Boom! Right there! Watch the head fake — skadoosh! Someone go pick up Obama's jockstrap!"

Let's recap: The 44th president gets his undies all in a wad after someone fires off some chemical weapons in Syria and kills 1,400 — never mind that 100,000 have died in the 2½-year-long civil war there, BO was up in Martha's Vineyard on the golf course when the gas hit, so that really ruined his game and wrecked his fun beach time. Someone must pay!

So the president announced he was going to fight a Democrat-style war, you know, lob a few bombs in, reduce an aspirin factory to rubble, but just for a few days, not so long it would push back next weekend's tee time. Boots on the ground? Hell no. Maybe no boots in the air, either: Just some drones, bombing some rocks in the desert, enough to make us all feel good at next weekend's cocktail party that someone somewhere was paying a hefty price for using those chemical weapons. For the children, darn it!

Then, seriously, the president went to play golf. Right after his urgent announcement. Urgency schmurgency.

Congress, meanwhile, wondered what all the urgent rhetoric was about.

Wait, it gets so much better. Then, days later, the president said, don't worry: It's not like, BOMBING bombing. It's a limited action — we don't want to, say, topple the guy responsible for gassing 500 children, we want to hit the three D's: Degrade, Deter, Drive It 300 Yards: Wait, just two D's.

The president said he had the mojo to go, but, just to be a total bro, he was gonna get the "all good" from his peeps in Congress. Unless they no go-ed. Then would he go? Wouldn't say. So just be cool and get on board, eh?

But Congress balked (maybe it was the phone calls running 100-1 against going to war in, where again, Syria?). And while the mainstream media busied itself bashing the GOP for suddenly hating war, it was the Cocktail Party Left (CPL) that really didn't want to muss its hair in Syria. Or ruin the weekend.

So, to the rescue, a warrior: swift boat cap'n John F. Kerry. During 1,259 hours of Senate hearings (over two days), the Vietnam vet who hated war (and, really, the American military as well, and, frankly, himself) said, no no, wait, whoa: This attack on Syria will be a pinprick, "unbelievably small."

Meanwhile, the president was in Sweden. Why? Who knows. "I didn't set a red line, the world set a red line," he said about the red line he set when he set the red line on Syrian chemical weapons. The next day, he was heading to Russia, but he wouldn't be meeting with that ol' meanie face Putin. That guy was being nice to an American who divulged an expansive U.S. program that, like the old USSR days, spies on all homeland citizens. Phooey to him.

So, despite the big "reset" of relations with Russia, Mr. Obama snubbed its president in his own country, called him a slouching schoolboy, then showed up late for dinner, miffing the host. Too soon, playtime in St. Petersburg was over and the president came home to D.C. and returned to — work, you're thinking? No, the golf course.

Back to the rescue came Secretary of State Kerry. Asked whether Syrian President Bashar Assad could do anything to avert the coming pinprick, Lurch said: "Sure, he could turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week." Boom, another red line. But the State Department quickly said, "no red, no red." Instead, their high school spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Mr. Kerry was merely making a "rhetorical argument."

Too late. Mr. Putin jumped in and offered to help broker the deal. In fact, he'd lead the whole thing — and take credit for it, too. But the White House said, wait, it was really our idea from the get-go, and when we had a secret meeting in Russia with Pooty Poot, we brought it up — first!

In the end, Congress bailed (don't expect a Syria vote), Mr. Obama and Mr. Kerry embarrassed themselves again, and Mr. Putin ended up lecturing America — in The New York Times, no less — about the misguided notion of American exceptionalism. Oh, and then the Russian president headed to Iran for some talks on helping the rogue nation get its nuclear program up and running.

Still, who could've seen such a development? Um, Mitt Romney. "Russia is, without question, our No. 1 geopolitical foe. They fight every cause for the world's worst actors," the Republican presidential candidate said six months before the 2012 election.

And how did Mr. Obama respond: "The 1980s," he said in a debate, "are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War's been over for 20 years."

Hardcore pwned.

Read more: CURL: 'Pwned' by Putin: Obama learns about the Cold War - Washington Times

Well, I pride myself on, during the occasional moment of clarity, being able to effectively communicate a point of view. To this post, Mr. ATCclears, I can only say one thing:

WELL DONE AND THANK YOU, SIR.
 
Those are not my words - that is the text of an article in the Washington Post.

I posted it since I think it is a great and accurate summary of recent events.

Peter
 
Those are not my words - that is the text of an article in the Washington Post.

I posted it since I think it is a great and accurate summary of recent events.

Peter

Well hell, I thought it was you!

Still, thank you for sharing it and I applaud you for seeing the value in the text. I guess if I had opened the attachment, I would see it wasn't your writing. As it were, I was under the impression that it was your point of view based upon what you read in the in the article attached, hence the confusion.
 
Obama's plan is to get the US/Europe embroiled in a land war overseas/crash our respective sources of energy and the Dollar at the same time in conjuction with an all out cyber attack and surrender the US to "UN" oversight
 
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