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Wal-Mart sides with Bloomberg, Biden and Obama - do you still shop there?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by kumabear17, Jan 26, 2013.

  1. kumabear17

    kumabear17 Issaquah Active Member

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    Just received this response from Wal-Mart regarding an e-mail I sent them regarding their position on semiautomatic AR platform rifles, magazine size, ammunition and firearms in general. I understand many of us are so low on ammo that we need to get it where we can find it. I understand I was fortunate to be paranoid enough to have been stocking up for a long time now. With this response I guess I would hope that people would shy away from a retailer who feels their guidance is best addressed by people such as Bloomberg and his amigos – and I understand they may have every right to do what they are doing, but I will never support them with my business even if it costs me more elsewhere. I wrote them a response explaining that.

    Dear XXXX,

    Thank you for your recent inquiry. Walmart, like the rest of the country, has been engaged in a national dialogue about the responsible sale and regulation of firearms. We have had ongoing conversations with the Administration, Congress, Mayor Bloomberg’s office, sportsmen groups, suppliers and others to listen and share our thoughts and experiences.

    Over the years we have been very purposeful about striking the right balance between serving hunters and sportsmen and ensuring that we sell firearms responsibly. In fact, we became a charter member of Mayor Bloomberg’s coalition against illegal guns and adopted the 10-point code established by the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership that goes beyond what the law requires. We have also spoken to the Vice President’s office to share our perspective.

    We take this issue very seriously and are committed staying engaged in this discussion as the Administration and Congress work toward a consensus on the right path forward.

    Walmart Customer Care

    My Response back (for all the good it may do)

    Regardless of your interpretation of the right "path" it is still legal
    in this Country to buy and possess semiautomatic firearms built on an AR
    platform (do you even know what that means?). It's also legal to possess
    semiautomatic pistols and to possess ammunition for both firearm types. What
    you have done is make a unilateral decision that the President has correctly
    diagnosed the situation. You haven't waited for Congress. You haven't
    reviewed the Supreme Court decisions. Most importantly you haven't listened
    to your customers.
    Let's be honest, there are many people who buy ammunition from you do to
    your low price. Admit it, the reason you started to expand the distribution
    of firearms and ammunition is because you realized you were loosing a large
    share of the business. It disturbs me that many of my peers seem to lack the
    ethics to boycott you know. I understand many are low on ammunition and you
    over a low cost alternative. I have faith that once they realize you have
    betrayed the Constitution and your customers' rights your shelves may not
    clear of ammunition quite so quickly.
    Regardless of the Congressional decision, I will not shop a Wal-Mart
  2. MrNiceGuy

    MrNiceGuy between springfield and shelbyville Well-Known Member

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    You're talking to a wall.
  3. AdamG2

    AdamG2 Washington Member

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    I don't really have a huge problem with the "10 point code" It doesn't limit or restrict the kinds of guns and ammo they sell. Most if it is pretty common sense. They could institute it fully tomorrow and nothing would really change from how they do business today.

    The 10 points of the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership are:
    1. Videotaping the Point of Sale for All Firearms Transactions. Participating retailers will videotape
    the point-of-sale of all firearms transactions and maintain videos for 6 months to deter illegal
    purchases and monitor employees.
    2. Computerized Crime Gun Trace Log and Alert System. Mayors Against Illegal Guns will develop
    a computerized system that participating retailers will implement over time to log crime gun traces
    relating to the retailer. Once the program is in place, if a customer who has a prior trace at that retailer
    attempts to purchase a firearm, the sale will be electronically flagged. The retailer would have
    discretion to proceed with the sale or stop the sale.
    3. Purchaser Declaration. For sales flagged by the trace alert system, participating retailers will ask
    purchasers to fill out a declaration indicating that they meet the legal requirement to purchase the
    4. Deterring Fake IDs. Participating retailers will only accept valid federal- or state-issued picture IDs
    as primary identification. Retailers will utilize additional ID checking mechanisms.
    5. Consistent Visible Signage. Participating retailers will post signage created by the Responsible
    Firearms Retailer Partnership to alert customers of their legal responsibilities at the point-of-sale.
    6. Employee Background Checks. Participating retailers will conduct criminal background checks for
    all employees selling or handling firearms.
    7. Employee Responsibility Training. Participating retailers will participate in an employee
    responsibility training program focused on deterring illegal purchasers. The Responsible Firearms
    Retailer Partnership will create an online training system based on Wal-Mart’s training program.
    8. Inventory Checking. Participating retailers will conduct daily and quarterly audits. Guidelines will
    be based on Wal-Mart’s existing audit procedures.
    9. No Sales Without Background Check Results. Participating retailers would prohibit sales based on
    “default proceeds,” which are permitted by law when background check has not returned a result
    within 3 days.
    10. Securing Firearms. Participating retailers will maintain firearms kept in customer accessible areas in
    locked cases or locked racks.
    Participating retailers will phase in the provisions of
    Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership over time.
  4. Grunwald

    Grunwald Out of that nut job colony of Seattle, WA Well-Known Member

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    I woder how the Justice Department into the Walmart bribing Mexican government officials is going. Yes they were busted doing that, which is a very serious federal crime.
  5. PiratePast40

    PiratePast40 Willamette Valley Well-Known Member

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    With all due respect, Mexico is, and always has been a "white envelope" society. That's just how business is done. Everyone who does business in Mexico understands that. Not saying it's right, just the way it is!
  6. kumabear17

    kumabear17 Issaquah Active Member

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    I put this out there as a response to an e-mail I sent to them. People need to do what they feel is the right action for them. For me I choose not to knowingly deal with any company who is part of anything Bloomberg has any involvement in. His 10 points may sound super today, but after what he has expressed as his position for NYC I do not trust anything he has to say. As for Obama and Biden I had best not use the words that first cross my mind when it comes to their political beliefs and my impression of their ethics. I'll simply say I do not trust them at all. Wal-Mart may be a fine company, it may turn out to follow practices that are completely in support of our most common beliefs in the 2nd Amendment. To me, their association with the people they named makes that extremely doubtful and I choose to no longer do business with them Each of you can make your own choice.
  7. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    So, Wal*Mart is siding with the Illegal Mayors against legally owned weapons? Maybe they should look at the criminals that make up the Mayors group and how many have been or are in jail.

    Not good!!!!!!!!
  8. just dan

    just dan PDX Active Member

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    i wouldn't shop there before... be it the morbidly obese buying cart fulls of doritos and diet coke, their pushing made in china crap, or any other number of reasons. f that place.

    keep it local, in the community all i can. mom and pop shops need the business; i'll shop at those that support the 2A, pass on the (few) that don't.
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  9. Mason3379

    Mason3379 Oregon City Active Member

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    I hate wal-mart but you should really spell check and re-read before you send a letter or email....Not trying to be a d-bag but you need to at least make sure the spelling and wording is correct. "Loosing" - losing "know" - now "over" offer
    Just sayin'.
  10. samuelm16

    samuelm16 se pdx Well-Known Member

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  11. kumabear17

    kumabear17 Issaquah Active Member

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    Yep, you are right one. Sometimes my passion to respond gets in the way of my patience to review - always have been know for being direct and not to politically correct. And I have been reminded before about spell check and grammar. No offense taken.
  12. Mason3379

    Mason3379 Oregon City Active Member

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    I understand completely. We all just have to be careful when writing to our reps and so on because they seem to think we are all uneducated rednecks! Sadly the law abiding and free thinking individuals are being persecuted for the actions of few!
  13. Mason3379

    Mason3379 Oregon City Active Member

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    Not what was intended at all...But that is a great post!
  14. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Just because Wal-Mart played by the "local" rules opening a store(s) in Mexico, doesn't mean the current admin wouldn't use legal arm-twisting to bring them to heel in the gun debate.

    I have no doubt that Grunwald's assessment of the matter is in play. Think about the problems the DOJ could make for WalMart if they don't play the game the way the admin wants.
    It's the Chicago way. It's arm twisting of the political/legal sort.
    Even though Mexico's inquiry is over, and the U.S. Statute of Limitations for the bribes originally questioned have expired.

    Two articles published since Newtown:
    Expansion Of Walmart Stores In Mexico Comes With A High Price: Bribery And Corruption

    Walmart in Mexico Ready to Assist in Corruption Probe | Fox News Latino

    And one pointing out the DOJ probe despite the SoL issue:
    Walmart's Mexico Bribery Scandal: How Big a Deal Is It? | TIME.com
  15. revjen45

    revjen45 Snohomish County Well-Known Member

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    You can bet Obongo & Co. threatened more union pressure for failure to go along.
  16. trekkerpaul

    trekkerpaul Portland metro Active Member

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  17. Kelzebubba

    Kelzebubba Fort Worth, TX/USA Public Outhouse Active Member

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    Not trying to be a d-bag, but spell check is not grammar check. Loosing, know, and over are all words that are spelled correctly, the usage is wrong.
  18. gehrheart

    gehrheart fidalgo island Well-Known Member

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    dont shop there, have always disliked walmart, this just gives me more reason to not shop there.
  19. Glock Jock

    Glock Jock Wilsonville , OR Well-Known Member

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    I didn't need any new info to keep me out of those community destroying piles. When you are the number 1 retailer and a large percentage of your staff gets welfare there is a serious problem.
  20. nick1980

    nick1980 Portland, OR Active Member

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    I don't shop at wally world anyway
    I don't feel they are doing anything wrong by choosing not to sell a certain product. You mention "betrayed the Constitution" I don't see how they have betrayed the constitution? They are a business that sells products just like they choose not to sell porn they can choose not to sell guns. It always cracks me up when gun owners who "love their freedom" and spend all this time talking about their "rights" being taken away like to complain when a business chooses to also?