WAC might get the boot from the Fairgrounds

[Nwcid]

You're just not getting it it seems. The WAC is adhering to the rules laid out in a Rental Agreement and imposed by both it's and the fairground's insurance carrier. It has nothing to do with the WAC wanting more restrictions. It's called liability. There are enormous differences between CC by an individual in normal every day circumstances and having a few thousand people walking around in a crowded space with loaded guns. Exchanging, examining, etc. You need only reference the guy you say was exercising his rights in violation of the rules laid out by the WAC so we can actually HAVE A FREAKING GUN SHOW in Puyallup to understand why we need these rules to begin with. You know, that guy that pulled the trigger on a gun he obviously didn't check to see was loaded or not. That guy violating the rules of an organization founded to protect our rights has resulted in us, gun owners, looking like irresponsible idiots to the people who would love nothing more than to place REAL restrictions on your rights and I'm not talking about for a few hours while you're at a gun show. Winning this battle to maintain our rights requires an intelligent approach and organizations like the WAC are smart to operate within the "rules" rather than not operate at all in "protest".

I never said I had a "problem" with no loaded firearms in the building. I do/did CC when I use to go to shows (just like I do anywhere else it is not illegal) cause where I live the worst they can ask me to do is leave. It would stay CC just like every other day in every other place.

I have a problem with your (I am pretty sure you are a member based on your post) rule #6. Firearm sales to — or purchases from — non-members or persons prohibited by law from firearms ownership/possession are totally forbidden. Violation will lead to immediate and permanent expulsion as a member of WAC. As a group you have set a standard higher then State or Federal law........ That is the added restriction I am talking about. Of course sales/possession by prohibited persons is illegal and should not be done anywhere.

Take the 2 bolded words out of rule #6 and I think you have a wonderful group. Can you imagine what would happen if the NRA wanted to something similar for all gun sales............

 

[Jammer Six]

Huh. That's an extremely telling point. Never noticed it before.

 

[rdb241]

I never said I had a "problem" with no loaded firearms in the building. I do/did CC when I use to go to shows (just like I do anywhere else it is not illegal) cause where I live the worst they can ask me to do is leave. It would stay CC just like every other day in every other place.

I have a problem with your (I am pretty sure you are a member based on your post) rule #6. Firearm sales to — or purchases from — non-members or persons prohibited by law from firearms ownership/possession are totally forbidden. Violation will lead to immediate and permanent expulsion as a member of WAC. As a group you have set a standard higher then State or Federal law........ That is the added restriction I am talking about. Of course sales/possession by prohibited persons is illegal and should not be done anywhere.

Take the 2 bolded words out of rule #6 and I think you have a wonderful group. Can you imagine what would happen if the NRA wanted to something similar for all gun sales............

AGAIN.....Liability! The club does not want to be held liable for a felon buying a gun and walking outside and killing somebody. That rule is in place for LIABILTY. IT IS NOT A LAW. If you don't aggree with the reason it is there then don't go and don't gripe to others that choose to go. You are entitled to your opinion. Others may not agree with you. So stay home, that will save more for us who choose to go.

 

[Nwcid]

RDB you are correct about it being their rules and my choice. I am simply telling a group what I think about it. It is not a gripe, complaint, whine, rant, ect just simple feedback that this group can not handle with out getting all emotional. Last time I checked groups liked feedback good or bad so they know what people think. While it appears I am in the minority on this board I am not the only one with this opinion and could be a reason they do not have more members. But apparently only good feedback is welcome.

I know gun shows are held all over the place and I am sure there is another somewhere with a similar restriction but the majority do not.

 

[enjr4]

The reason WAC requires membership to buy guns is because membership requires an annual background check. Just a easy way to keep the various criminals from coming in and buying guns. I don't know the reason for no CC carry; but, I would guess their insurance agent could tell us.

Ed

 

[Nwcid]

I didn't say I didn't know why they require a membership. I said I don't agree with it. It is a restriction above and beyond our State and Federal laws. If WA decided we need FOID cards like IL would you be on board with that too? I am just trying to understand how having to have a WAC card to buy a gun is "good" thing yet if an anti gun group or state/federal wanted you to have a "card" to buy a gun it would be bad. A FOID card or similar would stop various criminals from buying guns in theory. How many gun toting criminals do states with higher restrictions have? How much worse is the violent crime in states with higher restrictions? Restrictions, rules and laws ONLY work for those willing to follow them.

Yes the reason for no CC is probably an agreement in the rental and insurance. But until this point I have never thought about it this. Spokane gun show is held at the Fair Grounds and "no loaded weapons allowed" is listed at the door. Yet you go there for any other event and you don't see that. Maybe different rental agreements.........

 

[rdb241]

RDB you are correct about it being their rules and my choice. I am simply telling a group what I think about it. It is not a gripe, complaint, whine, rant, ect just simple feedback that this group can not handle with out getting all emotional. Last time I checked groups liked feedback good or bad so they know what people think. While it appears I am in the minority on this board I am not the only one with this opinion and could be a reason they do not have more members. But apparently only good feedback is welcome.

I know gun shows are held all over the place and I am sure there is another somewhere with a similar restriction but the majority do not.

FYI......WAC is not looking for more members. If they join cool. But they are not actively recruiting membership. There are big enough.

 

[enjr4]

It is a restriction above and beyond our State and Federal laws. If WA decided we need FOID cards like IL would you be on board with that too?

No I would not.
But, there is a big difference. WAC is a private corporation, not a government. WA state has very good private sales laws; all an individaul has to do is "do their best" to determine the person you are selling a gun to is legal.
WAC is different, as a private corporation, sell a gun to a non-legal at their show without "due diligence" and I would bet their insurance agent would again have a heart attack. WAC has decided that their due diligence method is membership in the private association. WAC does not have direct control over the vendors and the ATF is constantly hovering and hoping. By the way, parking lot sales between members and non-members will also get you the boot.

 

[Jammer Six]

If you don't aggree with the reason it is there then don't go and don't gripe to others that choose to go.

Works for me.

Well, except for that part about griping...

 

[sasquatch]

While it appears I am in the minority on this board I am not the only one with this opinion and could be a reason they do not have more members.

I believe WAC currently has on the order of 18,000 members. Those folks must not agree with your opinions.

 

[waltermitty]

consider the alternative: WAC maintains a zero tolerance on any agreement which attempts
to weaken our SA rights. the current WAC gunshows, which has widespread support from
SA supporters and members from around the state, would undoubtedly lose its lease.

let's imagine that from amongst all those hardliners, the number of folks who will be stepping
up to help organize and sponsor an alternative venue/gunshow, while still maintaining every
line item gun right we enjoy in WA state.

finally, let's imagine which operation will result in wider support, sales, and firearm owner
benefits in the long run.

 

[Jammer Six]

consider the alternative: WAC maintains a zero tolerance on any agreement which attempts
to weaken our SA rights.

You mean other than rental agreements, right?

 

[waltermitty]

You mean other than rental agreements, right?

yikes, i should be more careful. yes! (thank you)

 

[THREEDFLYER]

Yes, another one today......
I was walking in and about halfway into the building a shot went off 20 yards to my left.
It was an older table holder setting up his table and a semi-auto handgun he was handling discharged.

Apparently it was pointed at the cement floor and no one was injured. There was a divet in the concrete.

Needless to say this is NOT good news for WAC!!

The security guys were on him in minutes and he was escorted from the show.

The sheriff showed up about 1/2 hour later and was writing up a report.

Yes, it will be in the news I have no doubt.

The show was at capacity and the line was 200 yards long to get in.

Stay tuned!

 

[rcarter]

Saturday morning, January 12th, a table renter at the Washington Arms Collectors Monroe Show first violated the Rules of the Road by having a loaded firearm at a WAC event and then negligently discharged the firearm into the floor of the hall. No person was injured due to this persons negligence. The individual was escorted from the event, where he met with responding deputies from the Snohomish County Sheriff. The Board of Directors will meet on January 26th in the WAC Office in Renton at 10:00 a.m. to deal with this and other matters. The show in Puyallup will proceed as planned, as will the Sunday show this weekend. We anticipate discussions with the Evergreen State Fairgrounds management team this coming week regarding this unfortunate event.

Signed -

John Rodabaugh, President
Washington Arms Collectors

 

[sasquatch]

Simply amazing!! Another member who cannot follow some simple rules. Now he is an ex-member, and will most likely be prohibited from even attending any more WAC gun shows.