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WA. state proposed background check initiative question

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by 009, Mar 20, 2014.

  1. 009

    009 Jellystone road sw Member

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    Greetings,
    I have not done the home work on this. I hope someone could tell me if the proposed new private sale background check initiative in Wa. state will also include FFL's collecting sales tax for the state, on private sales when the transfer takes place?
     
  2. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    I dont believe so at the moment but I am sure, knowing the state, they will try soon.
     
  3. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    <Why they don't have school shootings in Israel

    The tax is a sales/use tax and is due on every sale in or out of the state if you're a WA resident. So the answer is yes, the FFL's would collect the sales/use tax on each transfer, just like they're supposed to do when shipped from out of state.


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  4. MarkAd

    MarkAd Port Orchard Well-Known Member

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    the initiative is just plain draconian law. Vote NO on it in Nov. And yes the will collect tax on EVERY transfer and the will use market value even if you are giving the gun to someone.
     
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  5. humdrum

    humdrum Lakewood Active Member

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    I would love to have to pay a transfer... *cough* soon-to-be registration fee *cough* the next time I give a firearm to my brother or father, or vise-versa... Yeah, not really. Unfortunately that's what it will come down to if they get their way on this; It's ridiculous, and it's just another way to tax and terrorize lawful gun ownership in Washington.
    Vote NO when the time comes, and have every voter you know vote NO as well on Washington State's universal background check. I'm tired of being criminalized by the anti's and everyone here should be as well.
     
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  6. Flash

    Flash Vancouver Member

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    This background initiative in Wa. is Bloomberg trying to tell Washington people how we should run our state. This initiative is Socialist/Marxist and is the beginning of loosing our guns through confiscation. We must do all we can to keep what freedom we still have! We have given and given when it comes to gun laws and anymore will only hurt the law abiding. The anti-gunners will not be happy until we don't have the right to own guns. The police can't protect us now and that is why most police are on our side! We must get proactive and talk to all family and friends about this initiative and get it shut down! We must keep up the good fight in every way we can. I get a little wound up when it seems like people are already excepting this background check that is just registration in disguise for eventual confiscation. After all most criminals buy on the black market guns that have been stolen. The criminal will not be effected by this initiative what so ever!
     
  7. humdrum

    humdrum Lakewood Active Member

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    Preach it, my friend.
     
  8. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    <Why they don't have school shootings in Israel anymore.

    "accepting" and "affected" are what you want to use.


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  9. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    Why ?
     
  10. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Like Dean said they are "supposed to",not all will.
    You are supposed to collect sales/use tax at your garage sale and give it to the state too
     
  11. GunRightsCoalition

    GunRightsCoalition Vancouver Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    009, we are going to try to cover the worst of this at a rally at the state capital on April 5th. (I'll be speaking exclusively about I-594 however other speakers will likely speak on other issues as well) Handouts will be provided with the main problems with I-594 that each person can take home with them. A couple of examples. It would make it illegal to swap guns at the range as that is a transfer. It also has hidden within it a registration scheme and we already know that registration leads to confiscation. Look at California, New York, and Connecticut as examples. Note that there are other examples as well. First they get them registered (which this will do) and then they create a class of forbidden firearms. Following this they redefine the class to slowly make all firearms illegal. The legislation that was proposed last year right here in WA would have redefined almost all pistols as assault weapons.
     
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  12. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    Well you forced me to look it up, http://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/FinalText_483.pdf

    NEW SECTION. Sec. 10. A new section is added to chapter 82.08 RCW to read as follows:

    The tax imposed by RCW 82.08.020 does not apply to the sale or transfer of any firearms between two unlicensed persons if the unlicensed persons have complied with all background check requirements of chapter 9.41 RCW.


    My guess is that this was thrown in here to help keep more people from voting against it based on tax reasons.
     
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  13. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Background check battle heats; Connecticut shows future desires of anti-gunners

    Washington’s “universal background check” battle has warmed up with the usual rhetoric, and an arrest last night in Wednesday’s fatal White Center shooting shows what is wrong with the push for such checks, while a look at what’s happening in Connecticut shows where gun prohibitionists want to take the Evergreen State.


    http://www.examiner.com/article/bac...necticut-shows-future-desires-of-anti-gunners
     
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  14. GunRightsCoalition

    GunRightsCoalition Vancouver Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Shared, another great article.
     
  15. WheatNuts

    WheatNuts Camas, WA Active Member

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    I want everyone to know, that if this passes, I will not follow this unconstitutional law and I hope my fellow Washingtonians do the same.
     
  16. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    Without actual registration there is NO way to enforce this law. Only way is to catch someone actually in the act.
     
  17. GunRightsCoalition

    GunRightsCoalition Vancouver Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I seriously doubt that many will comply fully with it (if it passes). It actually endangers what laws are already there (more than they already are) as it serves to further dilute them.

    Note: Let's make sure it doesn't pass though. Even with the other side throwing money at it we can still defeat it. We have demonstrated time after time now that grassroots efforts can defeat big money as long as they unite together to do so.
     
  18. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Sorry Dave but your links screw up my computer so what does the White center,every day shooting have to do with back round checks?

    I get too many pop ups and BS and I'm not changing my computer to see them.

    I'm sure the back round checks are to stop gun shows.What else do they think we will stop doing?
    They think we will stop selling to our friends?
    They want to see civil disobedience, they will witness all they ever wanted with the pass of this bill.
     
  19. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    OKAY..... Now boyz n grls.... (that's texting shorthand for all of you tech people)

    Let's keep this straight.

    We are talking here about INITIATIVE 594, the 18-page behemoth gun control measure.

    We are NOT talking about the alternative measure, INITIATIVE 591, which requires that background checks be done in accordance with a uniform national standard.

    This is where you could get easily confused and do the wrong thing.

    Vote NO on I-594. Vote YES on 591. GOT IT?
     
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  20. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Well, that's uh, very impressive to be saying right now.
    Announce to the whole world you will break the law.

    Probably a lot better use of that energy will be to help pass I-591 and defeat I-594. Volunteer. Doorbell. CONTRIBUTE TO THE Protect Our Gun Rights campaign. Get on the phone. Help pay for yard signs and bumper stickers. Write letters to the editor. Attend public meetings or put one on yourself.

    V-O-T-E...and if you are not registered to vote..get registered.

    But sitting back behind a keyboard under an Internet nickname proclaiming your intended civil disobedience will not be nearly as effective as talking to ten of your friends and explaining in detail — based on many of the comments here about taxes and registration — and asking each of them to talk to ten of their friends. Grassroots. It's what America is all about.