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WA State lawmakers to seek ban on sales of semi-automatic weapons

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by benja455, Dec 17, 2009.

  1. benja455

    benja455 Seattle, WA Member

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    Originally posted at www.seattleguns.net

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010527541_gunban17m.html

    By Molly Rosbach

    Seattle Times staff reporter

    In response to recent shooting deaths, three state lawmakers say they want to ban the sale of military-style semi-automatic weapons in Washington.

    The lawmakers intend to propose the ban in the state legislative session that begins next month.

    The legislation, called the Aaron Sullivan Public Safety and Police Protection Bill, would prohibit the sale of such weapons to private citizens and require current owners to pass background checks.

    It is named for Aaron Sullivan, 18, who was fatally shot last July in Seattle's Leschi neighborhood, allegedly with an assault-style weapon.

    Supporters say they also are motivated by the Oct. 31 slaying of Seattle Police Officer Timothy Brenton and the wounding of his partner. Police believe a .223-caliber semi-automatic rifle was used then.

    The bill is backed by Seattle's police department, spokeswoman Renee Witt said. Also pushing it is Washington Ceasefire, a nonprofit that seeks to reduce gun violence. The group plans a news conference today to announce the proposal.

    The lawmakers who plan to sponsor the bill are Rep. Ross Hunter, D-Medina; Sen. Adam Kline, D-Seattle; and Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles, D-Seattle.

    The ban would cover semiautomatics designed for military use that are capable of rapid-fire and can hold more than 10 rounds. Semiautomatics designed for sporting or hunting purposes wouldn't be banned.

    "If they're used in the army, used in the war — that's what this ban is about," said Ralph Fascitelli, the board president of Washington Ceasefire.

    Dave Workman, senior editor of Gun Week, a publication of the Second Amendment Foundation in Bellevue, said such a ban would punish law-abiding citizens who own such guns.

    "I don't care if my neighbor has a dozen of the things; ... as long as he's not hurting anyone or breaking any laws, leave him alone," Workman said.

    He also said he doesn't consider the gun police say was used to kill Brenton an assault rifle.

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    Hunter knows getting the bill through the Legislature would be difficult, because of concerns about limits on gun ownership. However, he thinks the ban is necessary.

    "We don't allow people to own tanks or bazookas or machine guns, and very few people think that that's an unreasonable restriction," he said.

    Kohl-Welles said the lawmakers are trying to be practical and aren't suggesting guns be taken from current owners.

    "What we're trying to get at is there's no place to have sales of military assault rifles or weapons in this state," she said.

    She also said she doesn't believe such a ban would violate the Second Amendment, the right to bear arms.

    "Did the framers of our Constitution ever envision something like a semi-automatic weapon?" she asked.

    Molly Rosbach: 206-464-2311 or mrosbach@seattletimes.com
     
  2. Sun195

    Sun195 Pugetropolis, WA Well-Known Member

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    And, here it comes...

    I guess the only fortunate thing is that the State Legislature will have its hands full figuring out how to (re-)balance the budget this session. Still, they may want something like this to say they "did something" (other than budget) or to throw a bone to the left who have grown impatient with Speaker Chopp.

    We'll see what this bill says, but it appears that you wouldn't be able to buy anything new, sell what you currently have & you'd need to pass background check to simply keep what you currently have. Among other things, I'm not sure how this isn't a takings issue.

    Further, the State Legislators need to get their history straight.
    Yes - they did. Hiram Maxim invented the Machine Gun in 1882; Washington State was granted statehood in 1889. So, the framers of the STATE Constitution could have very well envisioned semi-automatic weapons. For that matter, some (many?) had probably been involved in the Civil War with its unimaginable bloodshed. Despite that, they actually drafted 2nd Amendment language for the State of Washington that is clearer/stronger than U.S. Constitutional language. But, don't let history stand in the way of bogus rhetoric.
     
  3. Joe Link

    Joe Link Portland, OR Well-Known Member Staff Member Lifetime Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    We absolutely need to be on point with this one. We need to start by calling and writing legislators early on (like now) and figuring out who stands where on this.
     
  4. timbernet

    timbernet Boring, Oregon Member

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    Sure... a couple of people get shot and you have to take away rights from everyone... And if they weren't shot with an AR15 (or another "military style weapon") then they would have been shot with something else...


    What is the Mini-14 classified as?
     
  5. dr*pop

    dr*pop Central OR Member

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    What these legislators seem to believe is that the second amendment was designed for is to allow US citizens to shoot ducks for fun and games, and not to allow for the formation of militias to prevent tyranny of the government. The people have a RIGHT to the security of a free state and the ability to defend their individual freedoms. THE PEOPLE.... Not just a few self-elected "representatives."
     
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    fingolfen Oregon Member

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  7. Silver Fox

    Silver Fox Puyallup, WA Well-Known Member

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    This state is messed up. If it passes in WA you know OR is next. I mean c'mon the lefties in OR can't out done by both CA and WA.

    Good times are over with and time to get to work.

    SF-
     
  8. Dan-Dee Sales Inc

    Dan-Dee Sales Inc Sweet Home, Oregon, United States Active Member

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    Agreed.
     
  9. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Know your enemies on election day!

    Washington:
    Rep. Ross Hunter, D-Medina;
    Sen. Adam Kline, D-Seattle; and
    Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles, D-Seattle.
     
  10. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Neither the Mini-14 nor the SKS are so called Assault weapons.
     
  11. benja455

    benja455 Seattle, WA Member

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    As soon as I read the article late last night - I called both of the folks in Seattle and left them voicemails about how terrible of an idea this is.
     
  12. tallshipsgo

    tallshipsgo Springfield OR Well-Known Member

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    Doesn’t matter to a reporter or to average Joe Non-gun owner. Just prior to moving to OR from CA six months ago there was a cop killing in Oakland (I know, big shock) where a pedophile and general scumbag used a pistol and an SKS to kill four officers (two with the pistol and two with the SKS). That’s not what was reported of course, on the news it became an “AK-47” and other sundry bad things.

    It doesn’t matter if the gun is a Mini-14, an SKS, your scoped hunting rifle (the recently deceased killer named Ted Kennedy tried reclassifying them as a sniper rifle because it was scoped) they will try and take them. Any gun owner that believes this drivel about gun banners not caring if a neighbor owns x number of anything is a fool. By the way, given what was said in the article any of you that currently own such weapons will be required to relinquish them if this nonsense is passed. They did it in the PRC (Peoples Republic of Cali) and they’ll do it in Washington.
    Be ever vigilant.
     
  13. Sun195

    Sun195 Pugetropolis, WA Well-Known Member

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    These folks are all in safe districts (for them) and one of them is probably not going to run again, so a recall is not going to work.

    The smart thing to do is to target Democrats who have rural/suburban seats. They are vulnerable & won't let this thing sink them. Further, the Democratic Caucus doesn't want to lose its majority, so they may not move this forward if they think they'll lose seats over it.
     
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    johnharris11 Central Point Member

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    If they get away with passing this bill, then what else is on the horizon. We can't let them get their foot in the door. It will never stop until we are stripped of our right and all become victims.
     
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    Ghost Washington New Member

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    Here's a list of supposed supporters for the Aaron Sullivan Public Safety and Police Protection Bill

    Seattle Police Department - Interim Chief John Diaz (206)684-5577 Media Response (206)684-5520

    Washington Ceasefire - 206.322.1236

    Rep. Ross Hunter, D-Medina - (360) 786-7936

    Sen. Adam Kline, D-Seattle - (360) 786-7688

    Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles, D-Seattle - (360) 786-7670
     
  16. aflineman

    aflineman Both South of Eugene and East of Portland. Active Member

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    Where is the NRA on this? I looked and could not find anything. I emailed and received nothing back yet.
     
  17. Bello425

    Bello425 Vancouver Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    Does that mean that anyone who purchased via an FFL/Dealer would need a "new" background investigation? Who's going to pay for the investigation? This is going to be very interesting.:(
     
  18. Sun195

    Sun195 Pugetropolis, WA Well-Known Member

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    KOMO news story on this - notice this portion:

    Let's hope so. This does give some guidance on what you may want to mention to legislators - focus on fixing the budget (whatever that means) instead of wasting time on this.

    It's also my opinion that contacting the bill sponsors about this is a waste of time - they don't really care what you think. The majority of voters in their respective districts probably support something like this. You've got to go after legislators (Democrats) sitting on the fence. If you live in a rural/suburban district w/ a Democratic legislator, send them a polite letter indicating your (and your neighbors') opposition to this bill - and CC the Speaker of the House so he knows that people in these districts are watching.

    Just my two bits.
     
  19. Sun195

    Sun195 Pugetropolis, WA Well-Known Member

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    Article in the Seattle-PI - these quotes caught my attention:

    And, this one:


    And, this one:

     
  20. fingolfen

    fingolfen Oregon Member

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    Great follow-up... I really hope that this bill doesn't make it out of committee... it certainly doesn't deserve to, and any politician supporting it needs to be given their walking papers.