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WA sbr question

Discussion in 'NFA Weapon Discussion' started by pacnw, May 30, 2016.

  1. pacnw

    pacnw Member

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    I am going to take advantage of the new state law and before the fed change to the trust.

    My question is, can I just register a lower WITHOUT it being a complete build?

    Thanks
     
  2. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Yea
     
  3. SCARed

    SCARed Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but....
    You need the complete specs of the build. Like barrel length, overall length, caliber
     
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  4. pacnw

    pacnw Member

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    So, I CANNOT just register a lower now and add details to it later?

    This means that the SBR I register with all the details CANNOT differ from those specs?
     
  5. SCARed

    SCARed Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Soooooo, your supposed to build it according to what you out in the Form 1. But once it's built you can change it all you want.
    Who's to say you didn't build it according to the F1, but then quickly change it?
     
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  6. PDXSparky

    PDXSparky Keizer / Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    No, it means that it has to start with those specs. As long as you can return it to those specs, you can change it to whatever suits your fancy. Different calibers and different barrel lengths no problem.
     
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  7. pacnw

    pacnw Member

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    Contacted my NFA dealer and he confirmed that I would go home with the upper, while the lower stays in "jail" until approval/stamp.
     
  8. wired

    wired Yakima Well-Known Member

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    FWIW an SBR is an entire gun . Its not just the lower. You can travel interstate with a SBR lower with no paperwork as long as you dont attach a short upper. You can even sell a SBR lower without paperwork ( OK, not in OR or WA ) . You do NOT have to keep the original upper if you change barrels either.
     
  9. pacnw

    pacnw Member

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    Questions on filling out the form and online account set up;

    1) When setting up your online account, can you use a trust or does it have to be an individual? Does not seem like the spaces are set up for anything other than an individual. It would seem like the trust would be what is wanted.

    2) When it asks for the mfr, same as above, do you use a trust name or an individual/me? Again, it would seem like the trust would be preferred.
     
  10. SCARed

    SCARed Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    You can not apply online as an individual. Must be as a trust or other business entity.

    You and/or your trust are not a manufacturer.
     
  11. pacnw

    pacnw Member

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    I thought that when I add the stock to a pistol, I became the mfr. Isn't that what all the hoopla in WA state was about?
     
  12. wired

    wired Yakima Well-Known Member

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    No. You become a "maker". A Manufacturer is a FFL class.
     
  13. pacnw

    pacnw Member

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    Yes. After thinking about this more, that was what it was all about. It WAS as if we were the mfr, according to Wa law.
    With the change we are now just a maker.

    Thanks!!!!
     
  14. wired

    wired Yakima Well-Known Member

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    You were always just a maker. Washington law only allowed for manufacturers to build SBR's. Thats why you couldnt build one. You werent a manufacturer. A Manufacturer is an 07 FFL licensee. Its was a slip up in wording between federal law and WA state law. The new wording corrected this.
     
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  15. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    What about 80% lowers? Who's the manufacturer when used for an SBR.
     
  16. wired

    wired Yakima Well-Known Member

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    Only a licensed manufacturer. Manufacturer is a legal term. Kind of like silencer is a legal term. You can be a builder os a maker but unless you have an 07 FFL you are never a manufacturer.
     
  17. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    What do you state in line 4 (a) on the form 1 when it asks for the manufacturer.
     
  18. wired

    wired Yakima Well-Known Member

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    Ah the old form 1 conundrum. First off I have to opine that building a SBR from an 80% is total asshatery. Only good reason to build an 80% anything is to keep it off the books. NFA'ing it soaks that whole plan especially when real receivers can be bought for under $40. My opinion is much like my A hole though. In any case ...

    From the form 1:

    i. Serial Numbers and other Markings. If an existing firearm is being
    modified into an NFA firearm, enter the existing serial number of the
    firearm into item 4g and the name and address of the original
    manufacturer into item 4a. Do not Alter or Modify the Existing
    Serial Number . If the NFA firearm is being made from parts, your
    name and address are to be entered into 4a and a serial number you
    create is to be entered into item 4g.
     
  19. pacnw

    pacnw Member

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    I was in a fog.
    I knew this, just forgot.

    Thanks!!!!!