National VoteVets Are Anti Gun

[GWS]

I saw this article from the Second Amendment Foundation and recalled a posting about retired generals warning of a civil war
It appears that VoteVets has little to do with veterans and a lot to do with pushing liberal causes, including anti-gun legislation

For your perusal:

Special Report: Liberal PAC the secret source for media's 2024 civil war obsession, anti-gun disinformation

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VoteVets is a hybrid political action group that operates as both a PAC and a Super PAC by donating money directly to political campaigns, and by raising and spending unlimited amounts of cash for "independent expenditures," such as ad campaigns that target conservative candidates and issues, while supportingliberal issues and politicians. The organization operates two groups, the VoteVetsPAC and the VoteVets Action Fund. Its stated mission is to "to elect veterans to public office," but in actuality it only backs liberals. All of the candidates VoteVetssupports for federal, state and local offices are Democrats, and all of the issues it supports promote a liberal agenda. Since it was formed in 2006, VoteVets has spent more than $120 million. Nearly half went for radio and television ads. According to FactCheck.org, VoteVetsreceives money from the Democrats and Bloomberg: "The PAC's top three donors in 2018 were the Senate Majority PAC, the House Majority PAC and Bloomberg L.P. The organizations contributed $4.5 million, $2.2 million and $1.5 million, respectively." While pretending to advocate on behalf of veterans and veterans' issues, in reality VoteVets operates in lockstep with other anti-gun groups funded byBloomberg's cash. To be clear, VoteVets advocates for more anti-gun laws and restrictions even though mostveterans own guns and strongly support the Second Amendment. While VoteVets does fund lobbying efforts, it is thegroup's liberal public-issue campaigns – which are usually not fully disclosed or attributed – that the mainstream media laps up like hungry dogs. "They have really been punching above their weight this election cycle," Rachel Maddow, MSNBC's highest-paid news actor said of VoteVets. Hoodwinking readers The Washington Post and scores of other newspapers recently published an opinion column, which was actually just the latest VoteVets public-issue campaign. The headline was damning: "3 retired generals: The military must prepare now for a 2024 insurrection." "The signs of potential turmoil in our armed forces are there. On Jan. 6, a disturbing number of veterans and active-duty members of the military took part in the attack on the Capitol. More than 1 in 10 of those charged in the attacks had a service record. A group of 124 retired military officials, under the name "Flag Officers 4 America," released a letter echoing Donald Trump's false attacks on the legitimacy of our elections," the column states. It called on the Department of Defense to take "more intensive intelligence work at all installations." "The goal should be to identify, isolate and remove potential mutineers; guard against efforts by propagandists who use misinformation to subvert the chain of command; and understand how that and other misinformation spreads across the ranks after it is introduced by propagandists," the generals wrote. The column followed a similar bit of anti-Trump 2024 fearmongering, which was published by Newsweek, titled: "Millions of Angry, Armed Americans Stand Ready to Seize Power If Trump Loses in 2024." In the Washington Post story, VoteVets received only an oblique mention – certainly not full disclosure – in the authors' byline: "Paul D. Eaton, a retired U.S. Army major general and a senior adviser to VoteVets; Antonio M. Taguba, a retired Army major general, with 34 years of active-duty service, and Steven M. Anderson, a retired brigadier general who served in the U.S. Army for 31 years." What the Post and the other media platforms that republished the syndicated column did not tell their readers was that the entire piece was little more than VoteVets' ongoing political agitprop, and that two of the three generals are thinly veiled political activists, and apparently far more interested in partisan politics than they ever were the welfare of the troops who served under their command. The newspapers never mentioned that after he retired in 2006, Major General Easton strongly criticized the Bush Administration on multiple media platforms for its handling of the Iraq War. Nor was it disclosed that he served as a special advisor to both Hilary Clinton's and Barack Obama's presidential campaigns. In 2004, Major General Taguba was assigned to investigate allegations of mistreatment at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison. His report, which was extremely critical, was almost immediately leaked to the media. The stories served as an inspiration for the Iraqiinsurgency and, ultimately, cost American lives. It is still a rallying cry for our foes throughout the Middle East. After the leak was investigated, Taguba was ordered by the Army's Vice Chief of Staff to retire. This fact, too, never made it into print. Ignorant beginnings VoteVets has a long history of advocating for more gun control. In 2012, VoteVets chairman Jon Stolz wrote a scathing op-ed column about the Trayvon Martin case, titled: "Shoot First Laws: Even troops in war zones can't do that." Stolz's column, which was widely republished, excoriated "Stand Your Ground" laws in Florida and other states. "The Trayvon Martin case has gripped the nation and forced the country to re-examine our gun laws. But the horrible affair has struck me in another way, because of my two tours in Iraq," Stolz wrote. "One fact stands out in my mind: The 'Stand Your Ground' law in Florida, which may let George Zimmerman off the hook for the killing of Martin, gives more leeway to shooters than our own military gives to soldiers in war." The problem with Stolz's column is that his premise is 100% wrong. The Trayvon Martin shooting was never a "Stand Your Ground" case. Zimmerman never invoked the immunity the statute provides. Stolz's subsequent comparisons between Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law and the military's Rules of Engagement were completely moot. One year later, VoteVets joined with Giffords, Michael Bloomberg and Bloomberg's proxy group, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, in opposing the 2013 Colorado recall, which successfully removed two Democratic state senators who supported new gun-control legislation. VoteVets ran ads speaking, falsely, on behalf of the veterans' community. It was the first time a Colorado lawmaker had ever been recalled. "Good" anti-gun messengers In 2018, VoteVets barnstormed across the country with Gabby Giffords' anti-gun group. "We're hitting the campaign trail with @VoteVets! Ahead of this year's election," Giffords tweeted on Aug. 20, 2018. The two groups supported anti-gun candidates in Pennsylvania, Colorado, California, New Jersey, Virginia and Kentucky. "For a long time, Democrats have been playing defense on issue of gun safety," Dan Helmer, VoteVets vice-president told a McClatchy newspaper. "We see a trend across the country where, increasingly, the American people are demanding change." VoteVets and Giffords both said veterans made "especially good messengers for policies that restrict access to guns." "They have the 'platform and credibility' to talk about the issue," Helmer said. "No one more than vets know just how deadly some of these weapons can be. Nor have others proven so dedicated to defending the country." Giffords and VoteVets called the candidates they supported "part of a new generation of leaders challenging gun-lobby backed politicians." "Military veterans know that weapons of war have no place in our schools, in our places of worship, at concerts, at night clubs and in our communities. Too many in Congress are afraid to take on the NRA and pass meaningful legislation supported by the overwhelming majority of Americans to reduce gun violence," Helmer said in a joint press release. "The veteran candidates we are meeting with on this tour have already answered the call of duty once and bravely stood up to defend and serve this nation. They have the courage to stand up to the NRA and fight for legislation to protect our communities from the epidemic of gun violence. We are proud to partner with Captain Kelly and Giffords on this tour." Democratic, not veterans issues According to its Facebook page, VoteVets claims to be "the first and largest progressive group of veterans in America." "We represent over 1.5 million veterans, military families, and their civilian supporters," the site states. However, the issues posted on Facebook and its other social media accounts reveal that the group is far more aligned with the Democratic Party than any veterans' community – even a progressive one. VoteVets advocates for Vaccine mandates, "accountability" for the Jan. 6 protest, Joe Biden's Build Back Better plan, climate change, abortion rights, Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan, Critical Race Theory, GBLT issues, voting rights and of course more gun control. Biden and Kamala Harris receive nothing but praise, while Donald Trump and other Republican lawmakers receive nothing but criticism – intense criticism. Real veterans' issues, such as dysfunctions within the VA, civilian job resources, posttraumatic stress disorder, suicide prevention, POW/MIA, disability benefits and illnesses caused by burn-pit exposure, are rarely, if ever, mentioned. To be clear, VoteVets regurgitates nothing but liberal talking points rather than advocating for veterans as it claims. Takeaways It's no secret why anti-gun groups believe veterans would make good messengers for their rhetoric. Veterans have the credibility that they never will. Unfortunately for Giffords, Brady and Bloomberg, most veterans are too politically savvy to fall for their anti-rights shenanigans. Besides, every veteran I know owns guns – every single one. While I'm sure there are some who don't, I've never met one, but I'll admit I tend not to run in those circles. Vets, especially those who served in the combat arms, understand the importance of being able to defend themselves and their families, which is why they are such strong protectors of the Second Amendment. VoteVets has its supporters, of that I am sure, but the group doesn't speak on behalf of the vast majority of veterans, and they certainly don't speak for me. Quite frankly, I find what they're doing – pushing a liberal agenda under the guise of advocating for veterans – sickening. It's time for them to stop pretending they're working on our behalf.

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[3MTA3]

Three retired Generals pushing for the US Military to be used against US Citizens who disagree with leftist ideas. Stalin much there, General Mao?

They sure turned off comments on the WaPo article linked above. Read them and see how much the left hates everyone who values freedom and how so many of them want you dead.

 

[Diamondback]

Flashing out the word about these dangerous subversives and their Napoleonic "Man on Horseback" masturbatory fantasies to every cluster of veterans I know...

 

[uberguy]

Great informational post, thanks for sharing.

 

[308]

Wolves in sheep's clothing. There was a little Vote Veterinarian Tommy Tantrum ripping on Donald Trump Jr over on instagram because he was wearing his hunting camo. Poor thing got all twiggered.

 

[ma96782]

"Vets" do NOT always equal "Good Guys".

Don't be fooled by a label, name or group affiliation. The Standard Disclaimer applies.

Aloha, Mark

 

[Member 52301]

OP,

Thank you for the original LINK here.

Cate

 

[Member 52301]

I think that people should be aware of many groups and PACS that say one thing to sound and appeal to many Americans in a patriotic letter but they are another thing entirely.

This goes for ALL of those groups and their founders who are nothing but con job artists and tons more.

So be on the alert for those on the FAR left and those on the FAR right is my motto.

So much more has come out about these groups and official PACS along with their L and R politicians!

It is far worse NOW than compared to years ago when people got their panties in a twist when it came to discussing pro gun rights and the Constitution.

Back then, you could somewhat TALK or write to a person without being hounded, doxed and much worse by the Crazy Land - Senile Land far Left and far Right crazies, cult followers, politicians and Presidents out there.

Old Lady Cate

 

[Member 52301]

I saw this article from the Second Amendment Foundation and recalled a posting about retired generals warning of a civil war
It appears that VoteVets has little to do with veterans and a lot to do with pushing liberal causes, including anti-gun legislation

For your perusal:

​ Special Report: Liberal PAC the secret source for media's 2024 civil war obsession, anti-gun disinformation

​ View attachment 1095922​

​ VoteVets is a hybrid political action group that operates as both a PAC and a Super PAC by donating money directly to political campaigns, and by raising and spending unlimited amounts of cash for "independent expenditures," such as ad campaigns that target conservative candidates and issues, while supportingliberal issues and politicians. The organization operates two groups, the VoteVetsPAC and the VoteVets Action Fund. Its stated mission is to "to elect veterans to public office," but in actuality it only backs liberals. All of the candidates VoteVetssupports for federal, state and local offices are Democrats, and all of the issues it supports promote a liberal agenda. Since it was formed in 2006, VoteVets has spent more than $120 million. Nearly half went for radio and television ads. According to FactCheck.org, VoteVetsreceives money from the Democrats and Bloomberg: "The PAC's top three donors in 2018 were the Senate Majority PAC, the House Majority PAC and Bloomberg L.P. The organizations contributed $4.5 million, $2.2 million and $1.5 million, respectively." While pretending to advocate on behalf of veterans and veterans' issues, in reality VoteVets operates in lockstep with other anti-gun groups funded byBloomberg's cash. To be clear, VoteVets advocates for more anti-gun laws and restrictions even though mostveterans own guns and strongly support the Second Amendment. While VoteVets does fund lobbying efforts, it is thegroup's liberal public-issue campaigns – which are usually not fully disclosed or attributed – that the mainstream media laps up like hungry dogs. "They have really been punching above their weight this election cycle," Rachel Maddow, MSNBC's highest-paid news actor said of VoteVets. Hoodwinking readers The Washington Post and scores of other newspapers recently published an opinion column, which was actually just the latest VoteVets public-issue campaign. The headline was damning: "3 retired generals: The military must prepare now for a 2024 insurrection." "The signs of potential turmoil in our armed forces are there. On Jan. 6, a disturbing number of veterans and active-duty members of the military took part in the attack on the Capitol. More than 1 in 10 of those charged in the attacks had a service record. A group of 124 retired military officials, under the name "Flag Officers 4 America," released a letter echoing Donald Trump's false attacks on the legitimacy of our elections," the column states. It called on the Department of Defense to take "more intensive intelligence work at all installations." "The goal should be to identify, isolate and remove potential mutineers; guard against efforts by propagandists who use misinformation to subvert the chain of command; and understand how that and other misinformation spreads across the ranks after it is introduced by propagandists," the generals wrote. The column followed a similar bit of anti-Trump 2024 fearmongering, which was published by Newsweek, titled: "Millions of Angry, Armed Americans Stand Ready to Seize Power If Trump Loses in 2024." In the Washington Post story, VoteVets received only an oblique mention – certainly not full disclosure – in the authors' byline: "Paul D. Eaton, a retired U.S. Army major general and a senior adviser to VoteVets; Antonio M. Taguba, a retired Army major general, with 34 years of active-duty service, and Steven M. Anderson, a retired brigadier general who served in the U.S. Army for 31 years." What the Post and the other media platforms that republished the syndicated column did not tell their readers was that the entire piece was little more than VoteVets' ongoing political agitprop, and that two of the three generals are thinly veiled political activists, and apparently far more interested in partisan politics than they ever were the welfare of the troops who served under their command. The newspapers never mentioned that after he retired in 2006, Major General Easton strongly criticized the Bush Administration on multiple media platforms for its handling of the Iraq War. Nor was it disclosed that he served as a special advisor to both Hilary Clinton's and Barack Obama's presidential campaigns. In 2004, Major General Taguba was assigned to investigate allegations of mistreatment at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison. His report, which was extremely critical, was almost immediately leaked to the media. The stories served as an inspiration for the Iraqiinsurgency and, ultimately, cost American lives. It is still a rallying cry for our foes throughout the Middle East. After the leak was investigated, Taguba was ordered by the Army's Vice Chief of Staff to retire. This fact, too, never made it into print. Ignorant beginnings VoteVets has a long history of advocating for more gun control. In 2012, VoteVets chairman Jon Stolz wrote a scathing op-ed column about the Trayvon Martin case, titled: "Shoot First Laws: Even troops in war zones can't do that." Stolz's column, which was widely republished, excoriated "Stand Your Ground" laws in Florida and other states. "The Trayvon Martin case has gripped the nation and forced the country to re-examine our gun laws. But the horrible affair has struck me in another way, because of my two tours in Iraq," Stolz wrote. "One fact stands out in my mind: The 'Stand Your Ground' law in Florida, which may let George Zimmerman off the hook for the killing of Martin, gives more leeway to shooters than our own military gives to soldiers in war." The problem with Stolz's column is that his premise is 100% wrong. The Trayvon Martin shooting was never a "Stand Your Ground" case. Zimmerman never invoked the immunity the statute provides. Stolz's subsequent comparisons between Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law and the military's Rules of Engagement were completely moot. One year later, VoteVets joined with Giffords, Michael Bloomberg and Bloomberg's proxy group, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, in opposing the 2013 Colorado recall, which successfully removed two Democratic state senators who supported new gun-control legislation. VoteVets ran ads speaking, falsely, on behalf of the veterans' community. It was the first time a Colorado lawmaker had ever been recalled. "Good" anti-gun messengers In 2018, VoteVets barnstormed across the country with Gabby Giffords' anti-gun group. "We're hitting the campaign trail with @VoteVets! Ahead of this year's election," Giffords tweeted on Aug. 20, 2018. The two groups supported anti-gun candidates in Pennsylvania, Colorado, California, New Jersey, Virginia and Kentucky. "For a long time, Democrats have been playing defense on issue of gun safety," Dan Helmer, VoteVets vice-president told a McClatchy newspaper. "We see a trend across the country where, increasingly, the American people are demanding change." VoteVets and Giffords both said veterans made "especially good messengers for policies that restrict access to guns." "They have the 'platform and credibility' to talk about the issue," Helmer said. "No one more than vets know just how deadly some of these weapons can be. Nor have others proven so dedicated to defending the country." Giffords and VoteVets called the candidates they supported "part of a new generation of leaders challenging gun-lobby backed politicians." "Military veterans know that weapons of war have no place in our schools, in our places of worship, at concerts, at night clubs and in our communities. Too many in Congress are afraid to take on the NRA and pass meaningful legislation supported by the overwhelming majority of Americans to reduce gun violence," Helmer said in a joint press release. "The veteran candidates we are meeting with on this tour have already answered the call of duty once and bravely stood up to defend and serve this nation. They have the courage to stand up to the NRA and fight for legislation to protect our communities from the epidemic of gun violence. We are proud to partner with Captain Kelly and Giffords on this tour." Democratic, not veterans issues According to its Facebook page, VoteVets claims to be "the first and largest progressive group of veterans in America." "We represent over 1.5 million veterans, military families, and their civilian supporters," the site states. However, the issues posted on Facebook and its other social media accounts reveal that the group is far more aligned with the Democratic Party than any veterans' community – even a progressive one. VoteVets advocates for Vaccine mandates, "accountability" for the Jan. 6 protest, Joe Biden's Build Back Better plan, climate change, abortion rights, Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan, Critical Race Theory, GBLT issues, voting rights and of course more gun control. Biden and Kamala Harris receive nothing but praise, while Donald Trump and other Republican lawmakers receive nothing but criticism – intense criticism. Real veterans' issues, such as dysfunctions within the VA, civilian job resources, posttraumatic stress disorder, suicide prevention, POW/MIA, disability benefits and illnesses caused by burn-pit exposure, are rarely, if ever, mentioned. To be clear, VoteVets regurgitates nothing but liberal talking points rather than advocating for veterans as it claims. Takeaways It's no secret why anti-gun groups believe veterans would make good messengers for their rhetoric. Veterans have the credibility that they never will. Unfortunately for Giffords, Brady and Bloomberg, most veterans are too politically savvy to fall for their anti-rights shenanigans. Besides, every veteran I know owns guns – every single one. While I'm sure there are some who don't, I've never met one, but I'll admit I tend not to run in those circles. Vets, especially those who served in the combat arms, understand the importance of being able to defend themselves and their families, which is why they are such strong protectors of the Second Amendment. VoteVets has its supporters, of that I am sure, but the group doesn't speak on behalf of the vast majority of veterans, and they certainly don't speak for me. Quite frankly, I find what they're doing – pushing a liberal agenda under the guise of advocating for veterans – sickening. It's time for them to stop pretending they're working on our behalf.

Regarding this information:

Follow the money, follow the money and connect the dots.

ALWAYS ask yourself when it comes to any single person, all groups, all PACS, all politicians in BOTH parties, D and R Presidents, and everyone else out there when it comes to these things and people...

WHO benefits from x, y or z the MOST when it comes to ALL of their policies, all of their goals, ALL of their connections to any other group, their relatives aka GRIFTERS and other assorted con artists - they come in ALL FLAVORS - all parties, their connections to foreign countries, their favored countries who they FAVOR more and PUT ABOVE their support of THIS nation - USA, their LOYALTY to THIS nation - USA or should I say their LACK OF LOYALTY to this nation (?!?), their connections to the MIC - Military Industrial Complex that IKE warned us about in one of his final speeches to the nation, their connections to the MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX and Big Pharma, their own stupidity or smart as a fox deliberate actions/words and BLIND AMBITION to ONE man, one party or any other group that openly voice so called concerns for AMERICA while they LOVE some groups and hate others, men that they hire and fire NON stop including ones who talk about wanting 'scorched earth policies' ala Bannon and the OTHER side who demands that if we do not support some jack @@@ positions in .gov policies that they have the RIGHT TO DESTROY this nation some more all in the name of their dumb bunny SJW causes like the Burn/Loot/Murder crowd and antifa crapola???!!!

THROW in the people working behind the scenes and who are pulling BIDEN'S PUPPET STRINGS when it comes to national policies and international - foreign policies. You know dang well who is BEHIND that and it is not only Obama and his ilk from a past administration, Soros, Hill C., MANY anti RKBA people on the R and on the L, all kinds of PACS are in on it from BOTH sides, and many others out there in la la land.

ADD in the dumb bunnies in the Q and Q Anon crowd and you have one big MESS in this nation when it comes to the next few elections worse off the garbage that we saw on the R and on the L with the last election.

QUIT supporting these crazies in those groups and the L/R - R/L salami candidates that blow smoke in your face with their WORDS that tickle your ears whether you are on the R or the L side of the political spectrum.

ALL of them are laughing at you - American voters and gullible citizens while they continue to lie, steal, break their promises, shut you down in more ways than one (Words, guns, with their 'shots' and a whole bunch more.), grift some more and pull some more con jobs on you while they plan some more Psyops that so many dumb citizens believe on the L and on the R too!

ASK to see their TAX STATEMENTS for any cause, group, NON profit groups, foundation SALARIES, ALL FOUNDATIONS, businesses, ALL businesses, off shore accounts, stateside accounts, who they OWE - all banks, all PERSONAL accounts and tax statements.

CHECK OUT and make them SHOW ALL OF THE MONEY that they received from foreign countries and WITHIN this nation in any way, ANY ITEM OR CASH/CHECK, and make them INCLUDE ALL OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS aka grifters and ALL SHELL COMPANIES or PAY FOR PLAY DEALS under some other 'name'. That goes for all paintings sold, all diamonds and other jewelry given, all ties to other politicians children/friends/brothers/sisters/wives/husbands/etc.

IF any of these groups or parties or ANY ONE individual person including ANY POLITICIAN or past or present PRESIDENT/VP keeps on hiding and refusing to SHOW all of it - everything - ASK YOURSELF, "WHY?!"

What are they afraid of showing? More lies - more audits?

More things where they collected money for a CAUSE and never gave it OUT until they were FORCED TO HAND IT OUT or FORCED to shut down their foundations, charities, salami pacs, salami money to investigate an election or run for another election, salami for ALL of the money that was given out RECENTLY due to the 'virus' and some places and people got MILLIONS OF DOLLARS and NOT one dime was spent for 'Covid' crap. That was ANOTHER one of Kushner's buddies. But you have them on the LEFT BIG TIME too.

They are nothing but crooks but people on the L and on the R like to have their EARS tickled and hear a lot of false promises. That is in a famous book that is not allowed to be mentioned here. They worship false 'gods' aka politicians and past/present Presidents!

Thanks for the information again, OP.

Cate

 

[Member 52301]

Wolves in sheep's clothing. There was a little Vote Veterinarian Tommy Tantrum ripping on Donald Trump Jr over on instagram because he was wearing his hunting camo. Poor thing got all twiggered.

I would rip on Junior but not because of his hunting clothes.

And I rip on Biden, all of his ILK who are pulling his puppet strings and his drug addicted - traitor/thief/foreign entanglement son BIG time. Throw in Hunter's past with his dead brother's wife, all of his whore mongering that we have seen in the last 5 years with other politicians/presidents/famous people ALL over the news and the throw away gun DEAL with Hunter too.

Cate

 

[Member 52301]

"Vets" do NOT always equal "Good Guys".

Don't be fooled by a label, name or group affiliation. The Standard Disclaimer applies.

Aloha, Mark

THIS is true and thank you!

Cate

 

[3MTA3]

"Vets" do NOT always equal "Good Guys".

Don't be fooled by a label, name or group affiliation. The Standard Disclaimer applies.

Aloha, Mark

Patriot Act... Affordable Health Care Act... all of them named for the opposite of what they do. Standard fare for years.

Just like Knutson uses the unearned status of "The Church" these guys are using our love of veterans to legitimize their actions.

 

[Member 52301]

Patriot Act... Affordable Health Care Act... all of them named for the opposite of what they do. Standard fare for years.

Just like Knutson uses the unearned status of "The Church" these guys are using our love of veterans to legitimize their actions.

THIS is true.

When I wrote about the unpatriotic Patriot Act - I got lambasted BIG time from the RIGHT and not just from the LEFT.

That goes for a bunch of other crapola that was PUSHED by the R, L and all of the PNAC NEO CONS AKA CON JOB ARTISTS on the Right and on the Left.

The ones who salivate for more wars and just LOVE CHAOS. They make me want to VOMIT!

Cate

 

[308]

Patriot Act... Affordable Health Care Act... all of them named for the opposite of what they do. Standard fare for years.

Just like Knutson uses the unearned status of "The Church" these guys are using our love of veterans to legitimize their actions.

Similar to Orwell's Ministry of Truth, Ministry of Love, etc.

 

[3MTA3]

Similar to Orwell's Ministry of Truth, Ministry of Love, etc.

Sad how many seem to think that Orwell's works are instruction manuals and not dire warnings.

 

[clanhanson]

I'm glad that they're anti-insurrection but the rest... not so much. You can dislike traitors and be pro 2A believe it or not.