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Veterans being prohibited from owning guns

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Rotty, Feb 22, 2013.

  1. Rotty

    Rotty Skagit County Active Member

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  2. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    ive seen letters like that myself. i have friends who have been diagnosed with PTSD a couple faked it to get extra benefits(which i disagree with on principle) and others genuinely with issues caused by combat. now PTSD is a serious mental problem and should be treated as such. sadly those with war driven PTSD do some terrible things when they are not cared for as they should be and letting them have weapons in many (not all) cases can be a very bad thing.

    if its a genuine problem a person is having, they should seek help and try to move through the problem. people can be healed and with time this right can be restored to you. for those using it as a meal ticket; to hell with you, you dont deserve rights anymore.

    my brother has not been told he will not be able to buy a weapon, he has just recently ended his time in service and has been told no such thing. this is not something that is being sent to all vets. its a bullbubblegum story.
     
  3. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    I am a veteran, receiving disability benefits from the VA and Army. I have received no such letter, but my disability is a physical one, not a mental one.

    As a former VA employee, I can say that I have seen a great number of veterans who shouldn't handle fire arms because of PTSD. For the most part, these guys know they shouldn't, and don't. I also know of one vet who is 100% disabled for PTSD and somehow passed a background check and has a CPL for Texas...and is terrorizing his ex-wife...

    Do mistakes happen and the wrong guys get banned? Probably, the system isn't perfect. But, there is a way to get it changed, if you go through the steps involved. This is one of those cases where they err on the side of caution, and I'm not sure that is a good thing or a bad thing, it just is.
     
  4. JGRuby

    JGRuby Portland Oregon New Member

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    When we focus on mental health in the fight over the 2A this is what will becoming out as a result. We talk about people that have been placed under great stress and life threatening conditions - it would only be fair to consider that they may need a little help in getting over thier old style life and adjusting to a more civilian life style. One minute its kill or be killed a week later it is against the law to shoot anyone - I cannot think of two more extreme situations to be in. When I left the Navy I wanted nothing from Uncle Sam except to be left alone - I was fortunate - many others are not. To me this is a temporary solution as I want to hope that our bravest and finest have not cost themselves thier rights by serving our country. Today thier are many that still dont talk about what they did in the service.

    James Ruby
     
  5. ATCclears

    ATCclears Seattle area, WA Well-Known Member

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    Watch this one carefully. If the attempt to disarm goes beyond those with PTSD then it only supports my hypothesis that the DHS is evolving to the new SS.

    Peter
     
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  6. Magsbee

    Magsbee Port Orchard New Member

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    One way to fix this issue is to have health care professionals and legal types sit down and agree on ICD 9 codes that, when diagnosed and entered in a record by a health care professional, would require law enforcement notification to preclude that individual from purchasing a firearm....this would take alot of coordination and still would not be a perfect fix....there will never be a perfect fix....but could help.
     
  7. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    Yes, for sure, watch it....as always, keep an eye on the government. As Juvenal said, "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" (Who watches the watchers?) WE DO.
     
  8. Doctnt

    Doctnt Beaverton Active Member

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    I am a retired vet. 22 years in the Army with multiple combat depolyments. Currently receive VA benefits, have a diagnosis of PTSD and receive weekly treatment/Counseling for the same. I have inquired about this directly with my benefits counselor, clinician, and VA advocate and this is Bubblegum. The statue pertains to those individual who have been found by a VA board and a Court of Law, legal incompetent do to Mental or Physical disability. The status is reviewed annually as well and can be challenged by family or by the individual annually as well.
    Do not knee jerk on this. It is in place to help our brother and sisters from being harmed or being taken advantage of.

    Cheers,
    Timothy Hall
    MSG Ret. US Army
     
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    Magsbee Port Orchard New Member

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    good info....
     
  10. Silver Fox

    Silver Fox Puyallup, WA Well-Known Member

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    Silver Fox Puyallup, WA Well-Known Member

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    Oh yeah.... One last thing, the letter in the above link is from the Portland, OR VA

    SF-
     
  12. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I am fully behind the idea that he mentally ill should not possess firearms.

    However --

    I am fearful on what and how that gets determined. If you are depressed, something that most people experience for a period of time during their lives, should you have to give up your firearms? If you sought out treatment, would the government be notified?

    It is an important issue.

    We can't have something which is a blanket case. Nor can we have it be permanent. Nor can we tolerate a situation where seeking help would put you at risk for loosing your firearms.

    The "domestic" provision is bad enough - over reaching.
     
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  13. BSG 75

    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Would it have been such a bad thing if this troubled veteran had been barred from owning guns?

     
  14. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    This is NOT a new thing. The VA has been alerting authorities for years now when someone voices a threat. Not a new thing at all.

    We can't have it both ways. We can't say "crazy people shouldn't own guns" and then not want the VA to report on people who shouldn't have them.

    Also, remember, there IS an appeal process. This isn't a one strike and you're out situation....


    Anyway....
     
  15. Norm0931

    Norm0931 Hillsboro, OR Sgt. Sheep Silver Vendor 2016 Volunteer

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    Infringing upon someone's rights to "err on the side of caution" is exactly why our Constitution was written. It's NEVER acceptable to infringe upon the rights of someone because you want to be cautious. Even the SCOTUS has said that someone else's fear is not an acceptable reason for the infringement of rights.

    What's scary is that that guy is from the Portland Area. That letter is from the Portland VAMC and is obviously violating his 5th and 6th Amendment rights.
     
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    Silver Fox Puyallup, WA Well-Known Member

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    Too bad these restrictions weren't applied to welfare recipients. They cannot manage there money and a good majority shouldn't own firearms.

    SF-
     
  17. ARKLITE881South

    ARKLITE881South USA Well-Known Member

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    Simple: "THEY'' are afraid of Veterans, we could be THE largest standing military in the free world.
     
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    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    Tell me more about who else should be denied their 2nd Amendment rights.
     
  19. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    You have to remember that every vet doesn't get this letter. These letters don't just appear from nowhere. There is a "cause and effect" before these letters go out....yes, it is an administrative issue, but in the long run, if it is an error it will be corrected.
     
  20. Rotty

    Rotty Skagit County Active Member

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    With all of the hub bub that's been flying around about weapons it's no surprising things like this come up. A year ago stuff like this wouldn't have been as big of a issue.