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US Murders

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Just Jim, Jul 29, 2012.

  1. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    U.S. Murders: All 13,636; Hands and Feet 801; Assault Rifles: less than 348

    It is often said that guns, particularly assault rifles, are designed for one thing, and one thing only: to kill lots of people.

    Assault rifles in the United States are failing miserably in this purpose. There are tens of millions of assault rifles in America. Because the definition of an assault rifle has been rather fuzzy, the number can be said to be anywhere from 10 million to 30 million. Of those, the AR-15 type is fairly common with numbers between 5 and 10 million.

    The FBI murder statistics do not differentiate between types of rifles. There are about 100 million rifles in the United States. In 2009, the last year in which numbers have been reported, there were 13,636 murders. Guns were used to murder 9,146 people. Hands and feet were used to murder 801 people. Blunt objects were used to murder 611 people. Rifles were used to murder 348 people, and that is all rifles, of which assault rifles are only a small fraction. Assault rifles are used so infrequently in homicides that many police departments almost never see them; in 2009, there were nine states that did not have a single murder committed with any rifle. "
     
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  2. dmancornell

    dmancornell Portland, OR New Member

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  3. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of those killings with rifles occurred in liberal, gun hating cities. LA, Chicago, Detroit.
     
  4. ArgyleAdams

    ArgyleAdams Portland, OR Active Member

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    Apologies for being blunt, but without data to back that up all you're doing is presenting prejudices as information.

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  5. CharonPDX

    CharonPDX Portland, OR Active Member

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    Considering they don't define "assault rifle", and that category covers *ALL* rifles, I'd be willing to bet the number with a fully-automatic or select-fire rifle are near-zero over the past 15 years.

    I'd also assume (all disclaimers about assumptions apply,) that most of the rifle deaths WEREN'T in gun-unfriendly cities. Gang members don't use rifles, they use handguns. I'd be willing to wager that more than 60% of all rifle murders were in rural areas, where rifle carrying is more common.
     
  6. Hardwood floor guy

    Hardwood floor guy Beaverton Active Member

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    semiautomatic rifles in the "ar platform"are refered to as "assult rifles"when someone wants to ban them...
    someone who has no concept of an automatic "assult rifle"versus an "semiauto in ar platform"rifle uses
    the assult name to make it sound like only a person intending to kill people would need to own an "assult rifle."
    when infact the "semiauto ar platfom"still only fires 1 shot per trigger pull just as a handgun or hunting rifle
    the only difference is less recoil due to the bolt cycling of a semiauto ar platform and the convenience of not having to cycle a bolt when in prone position whereas a hunting rifle has to be manually ejected and reloaded.

    using the term "assult rifle"works against gun owners by giving them a nasty sounding term for an otherwise
    very restricted rifle platform.

    when you say "assult rifle"picture 800 rounds per minute being violently sprayed down range.
    whe you picture "ar platform rifles"picture a pop,pop,pop effect.
    it makes me cringe to hear people refer to ar15's,ar10's,ak47's as "assult rifles"when infact to own an "assult rifle"you have to have a special license ok'ed by the atf.
    if you want ar's banned all you have to do is keep calling them assult rifles and the uneducated haters of the second ammendment and constitution will do the rest.
     
  7. chemist

    chemist Beaverton OR Well-Known Member

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    Like it would've been any prettier a picture if Holmes had used a nine-shot Mossy loaded with 15-pellet 00.

    There's no question that the "assault rifle" canard is based on fear and lies. You know, the .22LR kills an enormous number of people every year! There's no inherently safe (or dangerous) rifle, so why ban the AR and not the Mini14?

    Because, obviously, it's not about "protecting" citizens. Draw your own conclusions.
     
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  8. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    Do a search for drive-by-shooting and AK-47. Lotsa hits. I couldn't find any national data on the volume of drive-by shootings but the majority seems to occur in large cities with gang problems. Like LA, Chicago and Detroit.
     
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    BSG 75 Oregon Well-Known Member

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    That's because to the journalists writing those stories, ALL guns were identified as "AK-47"s.

    journalist-firearm-identification.jpg
     
  10. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    STOP ASSAULTING US WITH FACTS

    We prefer emotions and drama
     
  11. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    "Modern Sporting Rifle" is the correct term to use rather than the totally incorrect "Assault Rifle" name that the lamestream media uses to confuse readers!
     
  12. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    How about some more facts then?
     
  13. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Have you read any of the actual news stories. Holmes started with his AR15 which jammed after just a few rounds and he switched to using his Remington 870. I read a blog from a girl who her and her girlfriend were a couple of the first people hit and the first to get out. She had multiple wounds from a shotgun as did her friend who shielded her from the shotgun blast.

    Almost all the damage done in the event was from the shotgun.
     
  14. chemist

    chemist Beaverton OR Well-Known Member

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    No, I didn't read the latest stories - sorry. I saw the first news tidbits and knew that they'd be editing and revising and retracting as fast as they wrote the stories to begin with.

    What I saw in the first reports was that he had "sprayed" his AR and then it jammed in the midst of a 100-round aftermarket mag.