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Discussion in 'Preparedness & Survival' started by Katonic, Apr 20, 2010.
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Sorry my bad I didn't see the other thread.
I heard about this, I also saw actual footage of National Guardsmen in a rural town somewhere in the Midwest.
Doing traffic stops, going door to door. Shutting down streets temporarily. All in the name of Control..erm' I mean "Peace".
I can see it happening in the near future.
What bunk. That writer cannot get the basic facts straight. 80,000 troops in a Brigade Team at Ft. Stewart? C'mon man!
If he's wrong on that, how can the rest of it be taken srriously?
I spent years at Ft. Stewart and it just isn't so.
Listen man, The Examiner (insert your town here) just isn't a credible news source. If someone can find something on a major news site, then I would give more creedence to this kind of thing. As it is, this is mostly a rumor.
major news site HA , HA, HA, HA, HA, LOL LOL
then you really need some help if you believe all that the major news site,s have to say you better get yourself a tin foil hat !!!!!!!
okay, then just a CREDIBLE news source.
I reired from active duty a few years back, but while in I attended training that asked things like "Under what circumstances would you fire on armed Americans?" and "if ordered to conduct tacticle operations in a major American city, what would be your concerns and would you follow the order? Would you follow rhe order if you believed it to be an unlawful order?"
My last few years in, I worked for JAG (Legal Branch of the Army), specializing in Operational Law. Things like Law of Land Warfare training, Rules of Engagement (ROE)development. I. myself, have seen the change in direction of the training and in the legal aspect of the training.
I have also seen a few of he documents that would allow something like this to take place. Things like little changes in the use of Federal Troops for law enforcement, use of troops to "ensure the peace" during times of possible civil unrest or emergancies.
What scares me is the small changes in the federal laws. Little things like the changing of definitions of words like "USE" and "UNREST".
Do I think it WILL happen, no. Do I hink it COULD happen, YES
Mad Max in a tinfoil hat. The govt is terrified of an armed citizenry. Neba gonna happen dude. Greydog.
Can you say KENT STATE, WATTS RIOTS, RODNET KING/OJ VERDICT. Nope federal troops acting on US soil, never gonna happen
Kent State not withstanding, the other examples are due to the violent, lunitic, left driven anarchists trying to burn down civilization because of the acts of a few! Can't be equivocated accurately or with reason my friend. I lived thru the Watts, King, OJ, crap. I was glad the PoPo had long guns. I helped them willingly. Greydog.
I agree that hey were based upon the violent actions of the few nobs that spread to a ob mentality. My point was simply that Federal roops acting on US soil is not as far fetched as a lot of people think. The article states that these troops (or any federal troops) are being trained for deployment through the country for a lot of different reasons, but the first one mentioned is CIVIL UNREST.
My point is that it has happened for just that reason in thepast, it just so happened hat the ones I mentioned just happened to end up being for the benifit of the community. But, and its a BIG BUTT, the same reason that troops were deployed here in the past could be used again in the future, for a real or percieved threat.
As I said earlier I worked some in this arena and it amazes me how fast people forget what happened after Katrina. State/local/federal and even private security companies, went around and DEMANDED, under Presidental/executive order that people allow them in thier house, that people surrender thier firearms and even surrender (abandon/leave) thier property (homes) and leave the area. This was all done because both state and federal government declared a state of emergency/civil unrest.
The use of Guard or military in police situations is an interesting question. Having been in uniform for over 20 years (mostly Guard), I can tell you that, like all military, we swear to obey lawful orders and defend the country from enemies foreign and domestic. Having said that, most of us are just like you. Most military are gun owners, freedom lovers, and sport shooters. Heck at a recent annual training, 8 Guard computer/communications specialists easily came up with 33 weapons on short notice between themselves for an impromptu shooting event. Mind you, we are not even really in a hardcore combat specialty. So most guardsman would have to really be convinced that they were doing the right thing. Regarding New Orleans, I remind you all that there was looting and mayhem in the streets and that a large portion of the police force abandoned the city. There were bodies in the streets. Declaring that area a disaster area and using troops was absolutely the correct thing to do. I have never witnessed what I would call "improper" use of troops in domestic situations....not that it COULDN.T happen, though. And you are correct to always be vigilent against the government.
All I know is that they'll have to bring out the Guard if any more of these zombie threads get resurrected...
Paging Alex Jones.
I do wish people would just stop posting links to the examiner.com blog, even though they (and people's reactions to them) do help sort out the most paranoid tinfoil hat types. aranoid:
So, is the argument that this doesn't exist?
Or that it's intended role doesn't include military intervention in civil matters?
The left's blogs and news sources screamed bloody murder when NORTHCOM was first implemented under Bush. But now that the left controls 3 houses of government it gets pooh-pooed. aranoid:
It really does exist and is under the command of NORTHCOM. From the Army Times:
Feel free to debate the intended role of these troops, but to slam the OP because you think it doesn't exist, or won't be used domestically is ridiculous.
That is why the unit(s) were formed, that is what they train for. NORTHCOM is capable of. and intended to use a full complement of technologies right here at home. Land/sea/air/surveillance/roadblocks/crowd control etc.
On the surface their existence seems pretty innocuous, however, what constitutes a "criminal act" is still defined by the government, and popular opinion is rarely taken into consideration.
Does a dot-mil site qualify as a credible news source? Does the Army Times?
You be the judge:
Joint Task Force North
Consequence Management Response Force to join Army Northern Command
Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1 - Army News, news from Iraq, - Army Times
CATO discussed it and wrote some cautions. And for this they are labeled as a BS blog source. Try reading their article. Sheesh!
Be Wary of Using Military as Police | Gene Healy and Benjamin H. Friedman | Cato Institute: Commentary
All they did was reprint an article by the Orange County Register, and comment on cautions.
There are several articles on the dangers of executive power and the expansion of the domestic military role under Bush.
Hardly right wing anti-Obama rhetoric.
If believing that the system that controls the world does not have my best interests at heart qualifies for a tin hat - please reserve one for me.
I've watched this train wreck approaching for years. I always thought that being the self-sufficient, independent type that I'd get by just fine. Until that sickening day when the realization dawned on me that I would not be left alone to pursue my own interests. There always seems to be some freak who wants to control some aspect or other of my life. I watch everything, and don't take anything that happens at face value. I've become convinced that dying peacefully in bed is not in the cards for most of us. Be assured that humanity hating evil walks the earth more and more openly in these days, they look just like you and me, but something inside them is horribly twisted. Unfortunately for us, these are the types that seem to be drawn to positions of political power. Believe as you wish, prepare for chaos or don't - I wish you nothing but the best. I hope to see most of you on the other side of whatever this is that's coming at us harder and faster every day.