I've never understood the Kel-Tec haters. They are making some of the most innovative firearms on the market today. They broke the mold... I guess some people don't like that. OK, each to their own. I don't know if you saw my review of my new P17, but it is seriously the coolest gun I've bought in a long time.They (KT) get a lot of bad press and they certainly are NOT for everyone but, I really love mine still. Mine is an old Gen 1 and if I ever manage to wear it out I will buy a GenII. Its always impressed me with how compact and light the damn thing is. can carry it in a laptop case with the laptop. So if ever "caught" in a bad spot it could be a real saver. I have been a PCC fanboy from a kid. Love my larger heavier one for fun and games but, those S2K's have a place with me in my just in case.