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Unsuccessful use of tree for cover during gunfight.

Discussion in 'Education & Training' started by OLDNEWBIE, May 10, 2013.

  1. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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  2. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    He's definitely a candidate for a Darwin Award.
     
  3. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    IF!, repeat IF! this guy felt a need to save his friend from arrest, how could he have done different? He had the element of surprise. I would have stayed hidden in the car.
     
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  4. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Or gotten out the passenger side and at least had the car for cover, bushes behind for escape (unlikely) -- probably was half stoned or drunk.

    Can't blame the poleece for a wrongful shooting that time. Frickin' idiot. .380 vs 40s/body armor + he moved like a slug. Really amazed he put one into critical care.
     
  5. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    I just heard on the news that he died and that the cop who ducked down towards the house/front of the car was shot in the abdomen three times.
     
  6. Misterbill

    Misterbill Yakima County, Washington New Member

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    Thank Goodness for stupid criminals. Bad Guys:0 Not So Bad Guys: 1
     
  7. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    Even after a head shot he was still moving. Cop's body armor made in China or what?
     
  8. Brutus57

    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    Yes, stupid criminal, but kinda sad to watch him linger so long. Don't mess with the cops.

    Brutus Out
     
  9. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt NE Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Reverse angle

    [video=youtube;alNJrX8MOPQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=alNJrX8MOPQ[/video]
     
  10. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Looks like the cop on the far right in first view that moved towards the house and front of the car fired a round straight into the pavement as he tried to get off the X.
     
  11. spookshack

    spookshack Forest Grove, OR Life Member Lifetime Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    I find it amazing that the cops were actually staking the place out, yet were oblivious to the fact that they had just walked right by one perp in the car and he had only be in there a few seconds......
     
  12. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Bad timing all around. It's been a while since I've seen this, but as I recall, I remember thinking that I doubted he realized they were "real" police, as acting like police has become the standard for drug-dealer v drug-dealer raids, and that he most likely only saw one or two of them, and figured being shown the business end of a pistol would scare them off. OOPS!
     
  13. spookshack

    spookshack Forest Grove, OR Life Member Lifetime Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Watching the reverse angle, it would appear that the cop that got shot, started off in a good isosceles stance, but reverted to one handed point shooting. Not sure if bumping into the truck thru him off, or it was because he thought the perp was done shooting? It looks as though the perp does in fact pause while hugging the tree but then continues to fire at the cop. Also, was that a cop that pulled up in the red pick-up?

    So, lessons learned:

    Bad guy taking on multiple cops at once....FAIL
    Bad guy's effective one hand point shooting....WIN, but a moot point since he dies.

    Cops poor situational awareness....FAIL
    Cop using proper cover (behind the front of the red pick-up) and ending it with well placed head shot...WIN
     
  14. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    Been a while since I watched this vid; Did any LEO bullets strike the tree? Did any penetrate through?
     
  15. soberups

    soberups Newberg Well-Known Member

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    Looks like the perp took at least 2 hits and kept fighting before the head shot shut him down. He takes one in the right leg, and then it looks like the black cop on the far right put a round under his left arm that exited out the middle of his back which is a good center-of-mass hit given the angle that the perp was at relative to the cop. If you watch the video carefully you can see the perp leaking down his left side, then towards the end of the video you can see the exit wound starting to bleed through his shirt in the middle of his back. This video ought to be required viewing for anyone who wants to carry a .22 for self defense, if a guy can stay in the fight after 2 solid hits with a 40 or a 9 then how many 22's would it take to do the job?

    Prayers for a speedy recovery to the cop who got shot, looks like a low abdomen/thigh/groin hit that went under his vest. I hope his junk is intact. And I hope the perp rots in hell.
     
  16. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The cops came up on his property with guns and without a warrant... are you sure your sentiment is merited?
     
  17. soberups

    soberups Newberg Well-Known Member

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    1. They dont need a warrant to knock on the door and ask questions or talk to the guy, and they dont deserve to get shot for doing that.

    2. They guy who pulled the trigger was not in any danger, he made a decision to open fire on police for no reason.

    3. If it was in fact a drug house and the perp was worried that they were criminals with vests and badges trying to rip his friend off....well, thats a risk you take when you choose to operate or associate with a drug house.