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[Sam Kinard]

I'm confused. EVERY American worker's insurance policy is earned. It's paid for straight out of your paycheck without your input at all. Therefore, it is a literal part of the contract as well. There are also plenty of people that fake war injuries or the severity of those injuries. If anyone is hurt on their job, whether that job is supporting a family or supporting war, they have the right to use their forced insurance policy.

I wonder if things would change if those found to be defrauding the system were put into prison rather than just had their benefits denied. We have this "system" where cheaters get to the head of the line and if they get caught red-handed, they get a slap on the wrist at best and usually they get no penalty at all. So, why not rip off the system? The worst that can happen is they tell you no and the best that can happen is they give you someone else's money. Yet another example of rampant theft that goes not only unpunished, but goes wildly unchecked and tosses our hard earned money to those that have no claim to it while keeping those with valid claims wrapped up in red tape for years.

 

[Scott F]

I'm confused. EVERY American worker's insurance policy is earned. It's paid for straight out of your paycheck without your input at all. Therefore, it is a literal part of the contract as well. There are also plenty of people that fake war injuries or the severity of those injuries. If anyone is hurt on their job, whether that job is supporting a family or supporting war, they have the right to use their forced insurance policy.

You confuse me with this statement. Are you talking health care? I went without health care since 1999 until I got the VA and then Medicare.

Ore are you talking about workers comp? In Oregon workers comp is a joke. There is no law in OR that says an insurance company has to pay you nor are there penalties for them not paying you if you take them to court. The doctors would not release me to work. I went five and a half years fighting workers comp , four and a half of those wears with NO income of any kind. I got a faked work release, moved out of state, lied on my resume and got a job. I still hurt 24/7 but I worked for seven years until the Meniere's forced me to retire at 62.

There are also plenty of people that fake war injuries or the severity of those injuries. If anyone is hurt on their job, whether that job is supporting a family or supporting war, they have the right to use their forced insurance policy.

As a disabled person with an inoperable back injury and Meniere's from active duty I will say that a huge percentage of those on disability are frauds. They are stealing from insurance companies causing higher rates for everybody else and they are stealing our tax dollars. The should be charged and placed in forced labor camps, not jails where we are still on the hook to pay all their expenses.

Yes I get a VA disability. Yes at 65 years old I am starting a construction company. Yes I still want to work and make way to much to collect the VA disability.

 

[The Heretic]

The article I linked in the opening post, if you read it, refers mostly to people who, after getting laid off, can't find with their current experience, so many of them, instead of starting their career over again, find a doctor and/or social worker who will certify them as "disabled" for any reason they can.

The state pays a private contractor to get these people on disabled roles and federally funded programs (often SSI disability) so the state won't have to pay them unemployment.

They are mostly able to work, they just find an excuse not to. They are unemployed, but not counted as unemployed because they are "disabled". If you wondered where a lot of the unemployed went and how the unemployment rate keeps going down, this is how - a lot of unemployed people are being hidden in disability programs.

You can say that they paid for the disability through SSI taxes, and you might be partly correct, but the disability programs are not funded that directly like the retirement programs are.

Also, if the "disabled" person is like my ex-wife, then they latch onto their divorced spouse's SSI - because we were married X number of years, and even though we were divorced for over 10 years when she applied, she gets a much higher rate of disability (I think it doubles or more) because she can claim my SSI insurance too (I made a lot more than she ever did too, so the amount put into the fund is higher).

 

[Stomper]

Does that diminish what you'll be able to draw since she tapped your account?

 

[The Heretic]

Does that diminish what you'll be able to draw since she tapped your account?

No.

http://www.ssa.gov/retire2/yourdivspouse.htm

 

[Stomper]

THAT'S a relief!

 

[coastal steelheader]

To be clear, the article doesn't criticize disabled people - it just shows that there are a lot of people who can't find jobs because their jobs went away, who turn to "disability" programs because they can't find work.

And the state encourages it because it takes them off their welfare/unemployment programs.

That is abuse of the system yes.

There are individuals who abuse any program - my ex-wife decided she didn't want to work anymore so she went on SSI disability. She could work, she just never wanted to - so when she learned that she could go on disability she did whatever it took to get on the program. It took her a year or more and going to many different doctors until she could find enough support to do it, but she did it.

Now she is so far gone (from prescription drug abuse) that she couldn't work if she wanted to - indeed, she needs (but won't accept) someone to handle her affairs, such as making sure she takes her meds, pays her bills and so on. A couple of years ago we found her homeless and on the streets.

Now SSI has become its own industry. It's common knowledge in my neck of the woods that all you have to do is make a claim at the SS office - it will probably be denied. Then you get a lawyer (who will take their cut from your "winnings") and appeal three times. The first two appeals usually are denied and third almost always goes in your favor. In the meantime the lawyer recommends doctors who are more than willing to say you have a disability.

I am amazed how many people I know are on SSI and how it is becoming the new welfare with sometimes two generations being on it. I have a friend who got a settlement a year and a half back of just under 60k. After paying attorneys fees, back child support and bills he was left with just under 30k.

In a year it was gone. A boat, two cars, weekend trips to the various Western WA Indian casinos, top shelf booze, guns and a girlfriend who seems to be keeping Fingerhut afloat . He still gets 1200 a month but somehow he just can't make ends meet and live on it, so he is trying for a second settlement.

His son is 21 and is a chronically unemployed pothead. He wants his son to try and get on SSI because he is slow (translation - a lazy dumbass) and supposedly has anxiety disorders that make him unemployable. He hooked his kid up with his lawyer and sadly his son will probably get on the dole too.

I have relatives who are also on SSI - they claim to be alcoholics or drug addicts or crazy and they get their check every month.

I doubt the system as is can be fixed, and more than likely it'll just come crashing down

 

[The Heretic]

My ex was able to work, she just didn't want to - she has never wanted to - she has always wanted someone else to support her so she could sleep in until noon then stay up until 2 AM eating Cheetos and watching TV.

Now sadly she is actually disabled. She has abused so many prescription drugs and let her health get so bad, I don't think she will make it to 60, and she couldn't work now if she wanted to.

 

[The Heretic]

THAT'S a relief!

On a personal level yes.

But the bigger picture is that the increasing number of people on SSI disability will deplete the SSI fund all that much faster.

Probably won't affect me, but my kids will probably never see any of their SSI.

 

[Stomper]

Wellllllll...... I remember hearing somewhere (a while back, can't remember) that SSI has pretty much hit the red already.

 

[Sam Kinard]

My point was that if we didn't have this forced retirement and disability program, it wouldn't be around to be abused. I am beyond tired of hearing about the burnt out coke heads that qualify for programs that they have only stolen from in their lives but when a guy works for 20 years with his money taken before he gets his hands on his paycheck and then breaks his back, he qualifies for food stamps and the Oregon Health Plan and NOTHING more. You need illegitimate children, to be illegally in the country or be a "minority" to apply even though you needed to qualify for NONE of those things to have your money taken from your paycheck. Our system has no intention of "helping" anyone. It creates a situation where you are either completely independent or completely on the teat. If our "welfare" programs actually helped people get out of poverty rather than showing them how to milk it we wouldn't have video evidence proving that government employees provide "How To Rip Off Those Paying Your Rent" seminars.

We established our country on the principle of taxation without representation. What is it when you can never qualify for the welfare programs you will be thrown in prison for not funding? Strike down all of this un-American garbage(there is nothing more un-American than social programs that create voters that pass more socialist programs) and let people either live or die as free Americans. We were the greatest nation on Earth when we did that and when we slipped into the Socialism that we so desperately fought against we lost it all.

The "Greatest Generation"(you get the best nicknames when you create them yourself) had better look at what they did and more importantly what they DIDN'T do when voting between the years of 1936 and 1980. The only guy that tried to stop the Federal Reserve lost a big part of his gray matter and while we quote The Founders, who so bravely established this nation in big part due to a 5% beverage tax, we pay 30%+ and thank our handlers when they give us $500 back at the end of the year.

A lot of folks think this ship is too big to sink but the truth is that it's too big to be raised back up from it's current depths. Maybe if we let the s*** rust off, in a few years we can send a salvage operation to bring back the good parts and try to sail again. I hate the feeling of being keelhauled on a sinking ship.

 

[Windsor]

I must say, I've been missing out on a lot of free money. Haven't had a day of disability pay.
Hopefully the surgery I had this last Thursday will make me a contributing member of society again.

 

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My wife started vomiting blood about three years ago. Too old for SS Disability since she's over 62 now. Been in the hospital 14 times over the last three years. Now they are doing blood work to see if she needs to be on a transplant list. In 2011 they found three polyps in her intestines, two were benign but the third was precancer. Also has a spot on her liver that they're watching very closely. And still no real diagnosis but her mother did die at about my wifes age from pancreatic cancer. As of now she's getting SS and long term disability along with a retirement from a previous company that the present one bought out. Believe me, she'd rather not be getting the disability pay and be healthy!

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