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[RicInOR]

California moves to let felons serve on juries...

 

[DB is Here]

In CA Felons will soon be a protected class.

You heard it here first.

 

[Oohrah]

California moves to let felons serve on juries...

May be the beginning of the end...next the crazies will be in charge of the institution....wait a minute, they are.

 

[MannyGlocks]

What about 'Dishonorable Discharge' from the various armed forces?

Think pro-criminal forces will over turn DD's?

They too have a life long impact...

 

[Inquisitor]

. . . Chances are the convicted felon had committed many other felony crimes and just hadn't been caught yet.

I think maybe if you are convicted of a felony, you probably have committed other felonies. Yes, the thought police will keep us all safe! (unless they think otherwise)

 

[MannyGlocks]

Inquistor is correct.

It's the rare felon whose committed only one crime.

Undoubtedly, there are a few otherwise law abiding citizens who've massively screwed up just once, but these felons are rare as hen's teeth...the rest have rap sheets as long as your leg.

But hey, once out on parole they should get to sit on juries according to the powers that be in kommiefornia.

These felons couldn't possibly be biased against any prosecutor...right?

 

[DuneHopper]

The left, paradox. Criminals have guns commit crimes, we ban guns, criminals still have guns.
We stop making guns, only criminals have guns. We take guns away from the police. only criminals will have guns.
Solution, reclass criminals as normal society, then only the previous non-criminals are now criminals, which are banned to have guns. Problem solved, according to the left.

 

[awshoot]

I think maybe if you are convicted of a felony, you probably have committed other felonies. Yes, the thought police will keep us all safe! (unless they think otherwise)

In all likelihood, you have committed felonies, perhaps daily, without even knowing it:

Or how about this lady -- charged with a felony for poking a turtle nest with a stick (and yeah I think that's a bad thing to do, blah, blah, blah -- but would that be a good basis for a lifetime ban on owning firearms (setting aside nationality issues)): Woman jabbed at sea turtle nest with stick, cops say

Even the ABA can't do something as simple as count the number of Federal crimes in existence and yet we are all presumed to know them. That's a catch 22 -- it's impossible to know what is a crime but you are presumed to know what is a crime: Many Failed Efforts to Count Nation's Federal Criminal Laws

"There is no one in the United States over the age of 18 who cannot be indicted for some federal crime," said John Baker, a retired Louisiana State University law professor who has also tried counting the number of new federal crimes created in recent years. "That is not an exaggeration."

 

[awshoot]

Here is another example of over-criminalization that happened to Bobby Unser, luckily not a felony, but an example of how easily one can accidentally become a criminal: Bobby Unser - Wikipedia

On 20 December 1996, in Colorado, Unser and a friend became lost while snowmobiling near Unser's New Mexico ranch. They abandoned one stuck snowmobile before a storm blinded them both. When the second snowmobile stopped working, they spent two days and nights in subzero weather before finding a barn where they were found. Both men were suffering badly, his friend was suffering from hypothermia, and Unser had vomited blood during this time. Unser was later convicted of a Federal misdemeanor, "unlawful operation of a snowmobile within a National Forest Wilderness Area" (16 U.S.C. 551, 36 C.F.R. 261.16(a)), and was fined $75. Maximum penalties could have been up to six months in jail and up to $5,000.00 in fines. Unser appealed, claiming to have been lost before the accident, but the court ruled that maps were widely available and it was a public welfare offense, thus intent was not necessary. Unser appealed this decision all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, but his writ of certiorari was denied.

 

[Talos32]

Here is another example of over-criminalization that happened to Bobby Unser, luckily not a felony, but an example of how easily one can accidentally become a criminal: Bobby Unser - Wikipedia

Yet the government routinely uses "good faith" as a defense when the police make a mistake. Like in Heien v. North Carolina where a cop pulled someone over with one taillight out and found drugs. Except North Carolina only requires one taillight, which should eliminate the probable cause for the stop. SCOTUS said basically: "knowing the law is hard, the cop tried his best." And let it stand.

I wonder if an attorney is ever tried to cite one of those cases as precedent that attempting to follow the law is good enough.

 

[Alexx1401]

They did mandate a 55 MPH max even on freeways, which was dumb as dirt...

Have to remember that was done by a POTUS who is now tied for the worst in my lifetime, Carter. It was originally set at 50MPH. It caused massive anger by trucking. At that time the rigs they had on the road could not use the highest gear under 55. So their fuel cost would have shot up. At the time they were not making any claims for safety. It was the great gas shortage scam. After that was over they started using the safety argument as many states wanted to do away with the 55. As with anything you can make stats say anything you want them to say. So Feds kept coming up with all kinds of "proof" that 55 was saving lives. When even that started to lose they then brought out the big guns. Started to threaten to cut off money to anyone who dared to raise the limit. Nothing like those who have a love affair going with an ever increasing Government.

 

[MannyGlocks]

I watch PD Live, a documentary cop show.

In it, a large percentage of the dirtbags they stop, often arrest, are felons out on parole or probation.

Felons as a class aren't poor dears who've broken some obscure law and thus end up unfairly in prison. The vast majority belong in prison, but they eventually get let out to commit more crime and go back into the revolving door of prison most of the time.

Criminals are a sub-culture of dirt bags and they hit the big time when they commit crimes that find them being classed as felons.

But, many people for reasons that astound me, want to think 'there but for the grace of God go I' - nonsense.

 

[Alexx1401]

I watch PD Live, a documentary cop show.

In it, a large percentage of the dirtbags they stop, often arrest, are felons out on parole or probation.

Felons as a class aren't poor dears who've broken some obscure law and thus end up unfairly in prison. The vast majority belong in prison, but they eventually get let out to commit more crime and go back into the revolving door of prison most of the time.

Criminals are a sub-culture of dirt bags and they hit the big time when they commit crimes that find them being classed as felons.

But, many people for reasons that astound me, want to think 'there but for the grace of God go I' - nonsense.

Sounds good to me, there are NO people out there who do not deserve to be striped of all rights. Great, after all I saw it on TV,

 

[bbbass]

The problem with disenfranchisement and stripping felons of their rights is that when one does want to reintegrate with society they often find it impossible.

That's why some states are passing laws to make it illegal to ask or investigate whether or not someone has been convicted of a crime during the hiring process.

If you can't get an honest job, you still have to eat, so what are you going to do?

1. Sad but true. I say we off them instead. Save everybody trouble.

2. Laws passed by those that have never owned a business.

3. Steal what you need. This is why we must off them!!!

Technically, it does violate his rights, as that "Shall not be infringed" is still in the Amendment. It was a non-violent crime, and he should not have lost his rights over it. But once infringement was allowed, it opened a Pandora's box, and they've been adding to it ever since. Now a conviction for some misdemeanors cause you to lose your rights. And if you think they'll stop, you are sadly mistaken. One day even getting a speeding ticket will cause you to lose your rights, as what could be more potentially violent that someone speeding and endangering everyone else, right?

In Sherwood Forest, infractions of the law (the law is whatever the Sheriff says it is), shall have as the penalty that which is set by the Sheriff as he may decide.

CA wants to allow ILLEGAL ALIENS (I can't bring myself to call them "immigrants" illegal or otherwise) to Vote.
Of course, CA is a sociallist state

Socialist victims (errrr, citizens) vote how they are told, and if they don't, it doesn't matter anyway because the socialist rulers declare themselves the winners or stack the deck for the count!!! Sorta like the way it's always been done in Chicago, and Oregon.

Notice how someone convicted of drunk driving has all their cars confiscated and is forbidden to ever own or even touch a car?

Yeah, me neither.

Works for me... When do we start???

 

[awshoot]

... Felons as a class aren't poor dears who've broken some obscure law and thus end up unfairly in prison. The vast majority belong in prison, but they eventually get let out to commit more crime and go back into the revolving door of prison most of the time. ...

You are thinking of basic criminals who run afoul of a few of the Ten Commandants. In contrast, we have a criminal code so vast and indecipherable, everyone can be convicted of a felony. Most aren't but what happens when those in power decide they don't like you or your views? You are incredibly vulnerable to being silenced and stripped of your rights, and even if you prevail, you are coming out of the process bankrupt.

I know Roger Stone is facing a felony or two, and for the life of me, I wouldn't know what he is charged with unless I did an internet search. There's a lot more to felonies than Jeffry Dahmer or Timothy McVeigh.

 

[IceAxRiflRvlvr]

Am called up to be on a Federal Jury.

 

[MannyGlocks]

If anyone doubts 'felons' very often go on to perpetrate more crime once out on parole, talk to your local constabulary.

They'll verify that this is most often the case with felons.

For all the bleeding hearts out there, how many want a felon of a violent crime or con/scammer orburglary or fill in the blank, living next door?

Want em to baby sit your children?

Thought so...

 

[bbbass]

Am called up to be on a Federal Jury.

If you don't want to serve, wearing a rope knotted into a noose as a necktie should get you rejected.

If anyone doubts 'felons' very often go on to perpetrate more crime once out on parole, talk to your local constabulary. They'll verify that this is most often the case with felons.

My stepdaughter works for the Parole Dept of the State of Idaho... She interviews felons and creates a report for the Parole Board to consider at the release hearing. And it's not surprising at all to hear her talk about how/what these cons think. Almost all have a criminal mind, and no sense of accountability for what they did... it was all somebody else's fault or they needed to do what they did, well, because!!! Parole Board lets them go anyway, and most often they are back soon, some committing a new felony within the first week. They just can't help it... they are cons!!!

 

[MannyGlocks]

But, but, but they're human.

No, they're not.

They're mostly psychopathic, facsimiles of human beings. Some of who'll kill you and sit on your chest while eating a sandwich. Human, nope. Breathing evil who don't identify with the law abiding.

Or, they'll laugh when they wipe out some elderly folks life savings.

Or steal anything they can get their hands on.

The list is endless of the crimes they'll do and will continue to do if not in prison.

But the opposite of right folks are on their side...not yours...you law abiding types must take a back seat to felons, cuz they deserve more and you don't.

 

[awshoot]

...
For all the bleeding hearts out there, how many want a felon of a violent crime or con/scammer orburglary or fill in the blank, living next door? ...

I wouldn't like a violent felon living next door. But the type who became a felon by importing fish in plastic bags? Yeah, I'm fine with that type of convicted felon being my neighbor and owning guns.

Three American seafood dealers and one Honduran lobster-fleet owner are currently doing hard time for importing lobster tails that were the wrong size and that were packaged in clear plastic bags rather than in cardboard boxes. They ran afoul of the Lacey Act, a federal statute that makes it a crime to import fish or wildlife taken "in violation of any foreign law."

The U.S. government argued that they had broken Honduran law because some of the lobster tails-3 percent, to be exact-were less than five and a half inches long, and because a Honduran regulation required that the lobster tails be packed in boxes. Yet Honduran officials testified that no laws had been violated.

Nonetheless, Blandford, McNab (the Honduran national), and Schoenwetter, three small-business men with no previous criminal records, were sentenced in 2001 to eight-year terms. Their "partner in crime," Huang, got off easy: two years' incarceration for the mother of two young children.

Begging His Pardon