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ultimate stopping power!!

Discussion in 'Handgun Discussion' started by snowdriver, Oct 17, 2009.

  1. snowdriver

    snowdriver sandy,oregon Member

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    of the common handun calibers,in your opinion which one offers the best knock em dead right there stopping power?
     
  2. NoAim

    NoAim Hillsboro, OR Active Member

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    None.
     
  3. darkminstrel

    darkminstrel PDX Well-Known Member

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    What he said.

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    Let me amend my previous comment; No round will stop a bad guy 100% of the time. The human body doesn't work that way. ANY round placed in the brain or heart will kill, but you have to wait for their body to actually register that it's dead. That can take a number of seconds. Perhaps you should rephrase your question?
     
  4. arjunki

    arjunki Beaverton Active Member

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    Only the big wheelguns, 44mag, 454 casull etc.
     
  5. cyclesurvival

    cyclesurvival Vancouver Well-Known Member

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    S&W 500 will nock a Abram right off its tracks haha
     
  6. orygun

    orygun West Linn Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I have to agree. Although everyone in the area will be deaf (and blinded if it's dark) a 500 Mag would indeed be a fight stopper if it was a decent, center of mass hit. I chronoed factory Hornady 350 gr XTPs at 2000 fps. It would indeed be "end of story".:thumbup:

    You have to have shot one of these to understand the power level of this round.

    But, I pack a .45 and feel very comfortable with that.
     
  7. terrylf72

    terrylf72 Portland, Oregon, United States Member

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    my main carry is a 9mm (glock 17) and my second is 45 (1911). might take a little math to figure it out but its something like this. (( Mass * volosity = force)). Now add range to the equation and your force is diminished to some extent. I dont have the full problem here but you get the picture. There is a book on this

    Handgun Stopping Power: The Definitive Study
    http://www.amazon.com/reader/0873646533?_encoding=UTF8&ref_=sib%5Fdp_pt#noop

    heres another link on a study done on stopping power.
    http://themilitiafiles.blogspot.com/2009/08/handgun-stopping-power.html

    But sense I was little my dad always told me never count on the "oneshot" to stop a threat, always back it up with 1 or 2 more.. And when in dought, run off a couple more, I.E. "terminate the threat! leave no question that you were in fear for your life."
     
  8. sillyrabbit

    sillyrabbit Salem, Oregon Member

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    The BEST stopping power......... Your mind, controlling your emotions and adrenalin rush, your aim combined with yur controlling your tunnel vision all coming form your training.

    THAT is the ultimate stopping power.

    Like it has been said... a well place .22 will stop quicker than a poorly placed .44

    I feel comfortable carrying a 45 backed up with a 357 Sig, they're all good......... our minds led by our training is the best!
     
  9. dario541

    dario541 medford, or 97504 Member

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    In his book, Boston T. Party says that a handgun is only to be used to get you back to your rifle, which you should have had in the first place. Do you agree with him???
     
  10. sillyrabbit

    sillyrabbit Salem, Oregon Member

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    Absolutely, IF and when you can.... Again though, if you don't know how to use it....... it's not much better than a baseball bat (not that they don't do the trick in some circumstances :)
     
  11. Tactical SS

    Tactical SS Washington Member

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    I carry a .45 everywhere and I never feel outgunned or like I might need more. It would be a rare occurrence to find someone wanting to do you harm packing a 500, not exactly on the gangstas budget. I understand that any gun can be stolen and used in a crime, but I'm willing to take my chances and carry a .45.
     
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    KENOC Portland area Member

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    For a 'common' caliber, i would think a 44 mag would be hard to top, all other things being even, such as shot placement, and only getting one shot.
    With that said, i feel pretty safe carrying six rounds of 9mm or .45 cal.
     
  13. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    I have a friend who's in the repo business in Atlanta, GA. He frequents some really bad neighborhoods to repo vehicles.

    He says he's been shot at twice by "gang banger" types. He believes that those types don't take gun training or practice, and in his words they can't shoot a pistol "worth a d@mn."

    He feels lucky that in all cases they just fired a couple of shots and ran when he pulled his gun, and he didn't have to shoot anyone.

    His is just one opinion, but he believes that the odds are that he can out shoot and kill a typical thug if he ever has to.

    $.02
     
  14. IrishFitz

    IrishFitz Happy Valley, OR Member

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    Ditto! :thumbup:
     
  15. IrishFitz

    IrishFitz Happy Valley, OR Member

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    I would generally agree with you friend, however... even thugs get lucky sometimes! :paranoid:
     
  16. huntpotter

    huntpotter SW WA Negotiator Bronze Supporter

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    45acp 230gr Golden sabre, good penetration, wound channel.
    .357mag 458gr Golden sabre. same thing.
    Of course placement of shot, ie center mass, heart/lungs, is important. Makes a bad guy have a bad day.
     
  17. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Yep. :)
     
  18. Wenis

    Wenis Tri-Cities, WA Member

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    Force = Mass x Acceleration, which is different than velocity or speed. Muzzle velocity is an instantaneous measurement, which has negative acceleration the farther the Mass travels.

    None of this greatly matters with pistols in my opinion because of the distance between you and your target if you're using a caliber of .380 or larger. They all shoot "flat" and at various velocities (which all have decreased since they left the chamber). I shoot a 45 just as well as a 9mm, but have problems staying on target with a 44mag or the like. So put your money into training because a well placed shot is better than one that can't hit the target.
     
  19. jordanvraptor

    jordanvraptor Oregon City, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Velocity x itself
    850 x 850 = 722,500 x Bullet weight - 230 gr =
    166,175,000 / 450,240 = 369 ft lbs muzzle energy

    I learned this formula long ago, seem pretty close.
     
  20. MarkSBG

    MarkSBG Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yup:

    Muzzle energy (lb ft) = 1/2 * m * v * v

    Muzzle energy(lb ft) = velocity(ft/s)*velocity(ft/s)*mass(grains)/450,240

    where the 450,240 is a unit conversion and accounts for the 1/2 in the energy equation 450,240 = 32.16lbf/lbm *7000 grains/lb * 2