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Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by U201491, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Book Banning: DOJ moves to block 'Fast and Furious' tell-all, http://fxn.ws/198EgVJ - Sent via the FOX News Android App.
     
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  2. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    I wish the book banners luck! The One book I want to read!
     
  3. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    As do I.
     
  4. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    ..."because it would have a negative impact on morale," according to the very agency responsible for the scandal.

    What a joke!
     
  5. simon99

    simon99 Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I couldn't even imagine how low morale is for government and military operators under this administration. My morale has been low ever since I heard Barry utter the words " Yes We Can.".....
     
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  6. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Instead of stopping goats from eating weeds at the airport and old military men from visiting grave sites, how about cutting the budget of the corrupt alphabet agencies by 90%? Then close down the Fed and all foreign military bases. That would be a good start. But then the whole 'shutdown' nonsense is all BS anyway. Like cutting your household budget by shutting off your porch light.

    http://www.thedailysheeple.com/gove...e-the-maximum-pain-for-dramatic-effect_102013
     
  7. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    I agree...

    Cut all Foreign aid - $2.47 Million savings
    Close overseas Military Bases - $10 billion savings
    Cut Intelligence Agencies 90% - ~ 90 Billion savings
    Cut every Grant Program - Unknown
    Cut every subsidy program - Unknown
    Cut FEMA expenditures 90% - 90 Billion savings

    In Fact, cut Government across the board 90% - $15.3 Trillion savings
     
  8. rocky3

    rocky3 oregon coast Active Member

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    Heck Israeli alone gets 1,000,000,000.00 + That's Billion with a big B.
    So closing the bases will save us a lot of moola? What about service people looking for jobs, welfare?
    Without jobs what kind of riots do you want.
     
  9. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    We have a domestic border problem, I guess our troops could patrol the borders....

    Welfare? Food Stamps?

    Well, improve the economy by making it easier for folks to open businesses, remove some of the restrictive environmental constraints, get the government State, Local and Federal out of the process and there will be growth and jobs. Cut personal and business taxes and get out of the way!
     
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  10. Brutus57

    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    There is fat to trim, foreign aid, reduction in foreign bases but not complete closure. FEMA is bloated. Draconian military/base cuts however will reduce our strategic advantage in the world so I would take a hard look at those before I'd shut em down
    Layoff every federal employee (except military) with less than 10 years seniority.

    Brutus Out
     
  11. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Burt I agree with this but you forgot after they turn off the porch light they then station a security guard to watch the switch 24-7 in case someone would turn the switch and cost the government more money.
     
  12. Sling Blade

    Sling Blade Yamhill County Well-Known Member

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    I marvel at the utmost in simplicity in which you guys view the world. :laugh:
     
  13. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    Ground forces are targets and forward forces in Europe, Asia and the Middle East are sacrificial. As long as we have an Air Force, Aircraft Carriers and a Submarine Fleet, we have the ability to reduce any country back to the stone age, even with conventional weapons. Let Europe, Asia and the Middle East start paying for their own self defense. We've been footing the bill since the end of WWII!! That's 73 years!!
     
  14. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Bernie is dead at this point anyway so there isn't much that can be done with a corpse except put some makeup on it and try to convince people he's still alive.
     
  15. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    Sling, it is simple. I like simple.

    Occam's razor is often cited in stronger forms than Occam intended, as in the following statements. . .

    "If you have two theories that both explain the observed facts, then you should use the simplest until more evidence comes along"

    "The simplest explanation for some phenomenon is more likely to be accurate than more complicated explanations."

    "If you have two equally likely solutions to a problem, choose the simplest."

    "The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct."

    . . .or in the only form that takes its own advice. . .
    "Keep things simple!"
     
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  16. Sling Blade

    Sling Blade Yamhill County Well-Known Member

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    Dunerunner, I appreciate what you are saying, but when dealing with national and international situations and millions of folks nothing is simple, as there are collateral impacts to any action.

    Money to Isreal comes to mind. I don't know why we are giving a wealthy economy so much money, but people say it is because their spy network is the best on earth and we depend on it, as we also use them to keep our military presence in the Middle East, lest Iran get nukes. Who knows?

    Is there waste? Sure thing. What gets cut though? Food inspectors, mental health programs, clean water programs?

    I like simple too, but it's not simple world any more with globalization, e-commerce, etc.
     
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  17. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    I understand what you are saying but most of the issues are that government is involved. I don't advocate leaving ourselves defenseless. Retribution for any attack on the United State or its allies should be so severe that no nation would risk the consequences. That retribution would not necessarily have to be be delivered by ground troops.

    Get Government out of the way and e-commerce expands without threats of VAT taxes or Sales taxes.

    My take is the World is as simple as High School. There are the Cliques, The Toughs, The Geeks, The Posers and the Sheep.

    We make things complex by what we do in an attempt to solve a situation.
     
  18. Sling Blade

    Sling Blade Yamhill County Well-Known Member

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    Good stuff to consider Dunerunner - I appreciate your thoughts and will think about them.
     
  19. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    We view it as true Americans, not as social communists ! Your views would do well on the other side of the big pond !
     
  20. Sling Blade

    Sling Blade Yamhill County Well-Known Member

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    Don't you think that there won't be associated events following drastic budget cuts as espoused in the posts above, as in Newton's third law and such?