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Trump promises 2A sanctity in victory speech

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Dave Workman, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  2. Ralgha

    Ralgha Portland Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    Never thought I'd say it, but I think I'd prefer Trump over the other lunatics. o_O
     
  3. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  4. FortRock

    FortRock Bend/Salem, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Yeah right along with imminent domain justification and a national health insurance for everybody.....except him and other elitists. I do not believe anything he says. He is a Trojan Horse for the Demo-commies.
     
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    Diamondback A cold, wet green Hell Well-Known Member

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    Like he PROMISED he wouldn't bail on his business partners and leave them holding the bag for HIS debt?

    BULL-F****ING-S***! *Mike Ditka voice* "And that's all I'm gonna say about that!" *mike drop*
     
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    PaulB47 Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    Of all the things to fear, sheesh. Might as well worry about getting hit by a meteor.

    As to Trump's promise to protect the 2nd Amendment, we've heard it before. GHW Bush, Reagan, etc. Politicians lie...
     
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    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    Is Trump a politician? He's never held office. He is a successful business man who's made billions.

    What have the other choices done which makes them a better choice? Hillary? Bernie? Bush III? That fat guy from NJ?

    If just one fact that stands out which makes him less likely to lie about the things he's saying and it's Trump is least likely to get paid off by special interests behind the scenes. Why would he need to make a few million on the side for a few speeches as so many other politicians do? I wold say he doesn't and wouldn't.

    I'm still are not sure who I'll vote for but I can guarantee it won't be for a lesser of evils.
     
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    PaulB47 Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    CHLChris Portland Metro East Love me some guns! Bronze Supporter

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    There aren't a lot of issues that this is true with me for Trump, but I 100% believe him on guns. I believe he is completely genuine on our most important issue.

    I don't trust him on successfully picking Supreme Court nominees, though.
     
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    Even though as recently as two years ago he was just another Bloomer?
     
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    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    People change. Bruce Jenner, for example... :eek:
     
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  12. ThePhonMan

    ThePhonMan Spokanistan Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    So who do you trust more...

    The people who have a stellar track record of trying to deny you your 2A rights and are now trying to out-left the other candidate on stripping your 2A rights and adopting Australia-like confiscation
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    People who are promising (out loud, in public and on tape) that they will stand up for your 2A rights but haven't taken action to restrict them in the past (and Christie and Romney aren't running anymore so we can drop that argument)

    I'm not saying the R's will or won't keep their promises but I know the other team absolutely will keep theirs and all it takes is another SCOTUS appointment by Hitlary or Bernie and we're all screwed for a generation.

    I've said this dozens of times on this site, there is a HUGE difference between people who are actively pursuing an agenda to strip away the 2A in any way and at any cost and people who consider the 2A as important as any other right but may not be militant enough for some single-issue voters. You figure out which candidate fits in which camp and vote accordingly.
     
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    CHLChris Portland Metro East Love me some guns! Bronze Supporter

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    I have no evidence, but I have sense that he might have put on leftism like a protective suit in NYC. I have feeling that he was always more rightist than he let on. I am thinking a lot of people think this same thing. Maybe the leftist junk was just a lie and this pro-gun stuff is really true.
     
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    This is the argument that it is better to drive toward socialism (or tyranny, or fascism) at 50mph than at 100mph. This argument does have some plausibility - if you would rather let your children deal with revolution, than dealing with it ourselves. Sometimes though, it's actually better to heat up the boiling frog quickly, so he jumps out.
     
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    Let's see him write a fat check to SAF then. :p
     
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    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I don't look at it as a lose lose situation. I look at it as it is better to put semi-reasonable people in office and attempt to hold them accountable than foment revolution for revolution's sake.

    The stuff Reagan and Bush 41 did would have serious problems now with the Internet and a much wiser and involved 2A constituency. Just look at the attempt to ban 62gr 5.56 ammo. Who knew that a bunch of keyboard jockeys could help stop that lunacy. We've all seen the social experiment that was the AWB and restrictive laws in places like Chicago and DC. Only fools would continue to think guns are the problem yet we have one party that has bought in completely to that argument. Crime is already illegal so making it more illegal is stupid.

    Maybe I just have more faith in my fellow man than others but I'm not willing to give up just yet and go to guns blazing.
     
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    Ah, you think we have a way out of this place without revolution. OK, but I don't think so myself. And it's not primarily about RKBA either, it's about our debt-ridden economy. At this point we are just going over the cliff. Hope you have plenty of food and water and ammo.

    Anyway, Obama and Clinton have been FAR better for RKBA than say, GW Bush or Reagan. That was certainly not their intention, but it was their effect. This is because Americans are ornery and don't like to be pushed around. Bush and Reagan just put gun owners to sleep.

    The other thing is that we as individuals can do virtually nothing to affect what happens. It is like standing in the ocean and commanding a wave to stop. Whatever the future holds for us, it is going to roll over us. I prefer to ignore the political process (except as a form of entertainment) and work in more productive areas.

    Oh, and "semi-reasonable" people do not impress me. Even a reasonable person, put into the position of ultimate power, is going to dislike armed peasants. That's just the nature of the position.
     
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