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Asking permission to exercise a right means it's a privilege. First, lets get that straight.

I agree, and I think many others do as well. If someone is so dangerous and inept that they cannot be trusted with a gun, allowed to vote or be near children, why are they free???:rolleyes:

I find it amazing that you could become a felon for the most ridiculous things and lose your right to own a gun yet get into 10,000 bar and street fights and be able to buy anything you want. Makes ZERO sense. Ew, felon! The stigma around it. Only serious crimes like rape, murder, significant theft and vandalism, etc. should be felonies, not replacing your toilet without a permit...:rolleyes:
 
Like I just stated on post 12. A few (seattle) decided what all (state) had to abide by and your worried about fed's but not state!!!

LOL! Who says I'm not worried about the state? Did I say that, uh ....... no, I didn't. Washington State is big old mess, but we actually have a pretty strong state constitution which is strong on gun rights. Quite frankly, I worry about government in general all the time ..... local, state, and federal.
 
LOL! Who says I'm not worried about the state? Did I say that, uh ....... no, I didn't. Washington State is big old mess, but we actually have a pretty strong state constitution which is strong on gun rights. Quite frankly, I worry about government in general all the time ..... local, state, and federal.

My point is why does the state or feds have any right in the fires place . but people want to hand it out to the state instead of the fed's.

States should assert their sovereignty and stop giving their residents rights away to the federal government.

In order for the state to give their residents right's away you (the residents) have to give the state the rights away in the first place just like seattle did with that stupid bubblegum law that was just passed
 
My point is why does the state or feds have any right in the fires place . but people want to hand it out to the state instead of the fed's.

States should assert their sovereignty and stop giving their residents rights away to the federal government.

In order for the state to give their residents right's away you (the residents) have to give the state the rights away in the first place just like seattle did with that stupid bubblegum law that was just passed

Ooh boy. In a civil society, we agree to certain things, in exchange for support from our elected officials aka "government". The states essentially give the residents rights away by abdicating their responsibility of keeping themselves and the federal government out of our business. States citizens allow the states and the federal government to do more than the 18 enumerated things listed in the US Constitution that it's supposed to be doing. Thus, allowing the federal government to act like an invading force that gets supported by the state.

I like Texas and how they say "NO" to the feds. They do this for their citizens and their sovereignty as a state.

I'm not in favor of handing over my, yours, or anyone else rights to anybody. For example, the Hirst decision which will negatively impact private wells in Washington State has me extremely concerned. It violates mine and others property rights. Ok, now, the best I can do is, write letters, make phone calls, vote, caucus, etc, etc. Then it's up to civil disobedience of hand digging another well and keeping it off their radar. It's great that I still have my unalienable rights, but government will squish me like a bug. Will I go along willingly ..... nope.

Now, I do believe that I would rather not open up the door for a centralized government to give the thumbs up or down on carrying firearms and who, when and where. I mean, we can't even have separate bathrooms anymore because of the federal government and some lame states going along with it.

I wish it was simple, it should be ....... unfortunately it's not. I wish I was better at writing this stuff and I apologize for not being scholarly. I mean nobody any disrespect or to start any fights. It seems we are pretty much all on the same side.
 
Perhaps the only way the Second Amendment would work is to have no laws at all? Keep your hats on, but this must also include automatic weapons. Also would include crew served ordnance. This kind of thinking upsets lots of folks. Good. We all need from time to time to be upset.

Don't forget that our right to self defense was tested, (oh, how it was tested!) before our Great Nation was even born. The Redcoats were marching on Concord to confiscate guns, powder and light cannon. We all know how that turned out. The Second Amendment means what it mean!
 
Like the late great Justice Scalia said with regards to the Constitution ........

"The Constitution is not a living organism," he said. "It's a legal document, and it says what it says and doesn't say what it doesn't say."

But an originalist interpretation still provides for a flexible legal system, he said.

"You want the death penalty? Persuade your fellow citizens it's a good idea and enact it. You think it's a bad idea? Persuade them the other way and repeal it. And you can change your mind. If you repeal it and find there are a lot more murders, you can put it back in," he argued. "That's flexibility."
 
Well, the president can only ask Congress to adress his concerns as he cannot write laws.
I sure hope that this is going to be addressed to show all the anti-gun zelots that Americans are against their hysteria.
Show them that 'Your fears DO NOT Trump our rights'!!!;)

Well, I should rephrase he first paragraph a bit (unless it's a Liberal president)..... then the pen & phone comes out of his pocket.....:eek:
 
Nobody seems to be disagreeing with that. The OP was simply asking about reciprocity under a Trump administration and how it could work.

Do you need reciprocity to post on the internet? Comment on what political candidate you prefer? Worship? Get married while living in a different state?? :)

You're getting this, right??
 
Do you need reciprocity to post on the internet? Comment on what political candidate you prefer? Worship? Get married while living in a different state?? :)

You're getting this, right??

Whether we like it or not, we live under the laws. If we don't like a law, we fight to get it changed. If a law tramples our rights, it's your decision whether or not to follow it. Also, nothing is consistent, nothing is "fair", nothing is cut and dried, nothing is engraved in granite when it comes to what our elected officials, judges, government agencies impose on "We the people".

Martini_Up, I'm sorry you think I'm getting it all wrong. It's comforting to know that some of you have it all straight. I can't help if some areas are "fair" and others are not. I'm sorry that there are inconsistencies in our system. I see what is going on and do the best I can to change what I can. Look, this was a simple question by the OP. I only offered an opinion on how it would actually work under our current system. But some of you just keep saying that it's so simple, it's like this way or that way. But the reality is, you will be fined, maybe arrested and maybe your firearms confiscated if you do not follow the current laws of the many states.

That's it, that's the way it is. I am sorry it's not perfect. I'm sorry I'm getting it wrong. I'll stop posting now. It's not a tantrum, I'm just tired of typing.
 
just like seattle did with that stupid bubblegum law that was just passed
You all gotta stop blaming Seattle for the passage of that law. Nearly EVERY COUNTY in the state voted to approve it. Liberals aren't the only ones who need to study the constitution, it seems.
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LOL! Who says I'm not worried about the state? Did I say that, uh ....... no, I didn't. Washington State is big old mess, but we actually have a pretty strong state constitution which is strong on gun rights. Quite frankly, I worry about government in general all the time ..... local, state, and federal.

Get ready for a shock soon because libTARDS to give a bubblegum about any constitution fed, state or other wise. Wont be long before we have a assault rifle and high cap mag ban in wa state.

Remember the wa supreme court is STACKED with libtards who are MORE THEN EAGER to rule politically on anything and everything. I would be betting they are all colluding on future anti gun legislation right now.

Sorry, I know this will probably piss off a lot of you [wa residents] but you might as well figure it out and be planning for it sooner rather then later because it is coming.

The only question is, are they going to confiscate the evil AR15's from us along with our 30 rd mags? or grandfather them in some how? hint, don't count on it....
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I would be betting they are all colluding on future anti gun legislation right now.
They haven't been making a secret of the fact that they are already starting to push more anti-gun legislation. I'm sure the magazine capacity limit and "assault weapon" ban will be on the next ballot. We need to start taking some serious action, right away. im trying to do my part- I've succeeded in convincing a couple folks that restrictions on equipment do more harm than good, and the newbie shooter, ex anti-gunner that I took to the range last week has already called me up for another range date- and picked up a pistol of his own!
 
NCW_Robert.
You are 100% correct. Some of us have been planning for quite some time, and trying to be active like BlackRyder mentioned. It's daunting, but I will never stop trying, ever. Personally, I thought we had a chance to get our state back with the three supreme court challengers and other positions that were up. But no dice, too many progressives up here in WA. state now. Unfortunately, we are now California and going downhill fast.
 
Getting Back on track to the OP posting, I agree with many points made in this thread, BUT, like a few pointed out, Constitutional carry would be the best possible outcome! NO State or Fed interference, PERIOD! Even better, Local municipalities cannot enforce or infringe on us! Lets Stop and look at the big picture for a min. Trump has a good idea, but it needs to make the next step and go full Constitution! I like the idea that Several States would be "Brought to Heel" as they are extremely draconian toward carry, The National Socialist State of Kalifornia would Sh!t Bricks if forced to follow the Constitution to the letter! SO...While were taking a few min to reflect here, What do we gain? Besides ZERO interference from ANY Level, we get a huge foot in the front door for full restoration of our PERSONAL SOVEREIGN RIGHTS!!!!! Once Constitutional carry is enacted, it open the flood gates for restoring the rest of our 2nd rights! It affirms that that document is the ultimate arbiter of law of this land!!!!!
 
Couldn't agree more with Ura-Ki. But the way some folks have been talking around here you would think that because some of us have marriage licenses and/or concealed carry licenses that we sold out and are "subjects" and not "citizens". Frankly, it doesn't do my family any good by me being locked up on principle when I can do what I can to change things from not in jail. I choose to "live to fight another day" as they say. I'd say I am actually on the winning side whether some people like Martini_Up choose to recognize that or not.
 
I got my self caught up in the "Compromise" ideas a while back, and honestly I was ok with it, until it hit me square in the center of the forehead, There is no compromise possible, we have nothing to offer them, nor should we, they serve US, PERIOD, not the other way round, and it is for us to define what it is WE THE PEOPLE want and demand it of them! NO COMPROMISE!
 
Hope this is in the appropriate section!

I have been reading some articles this morning about Trump possibly passing some new laws when he takes office related to firearms. One of which was the reciprocity of a concealed carry permit in all 50 states regardless of where you obtain it from. Has anyone else heard anything about this?

I doubt its as easy as it sounds (Standard classes for all the states like WA where you don't even need a class) but this would be great news!

The POTUS does not pass laws - that is the job of Congress.

All the POTUS can do with regard to laws is sign or veto them, and implement those that go into effect.

There are three branches of government: Legislative (Congress), Executive (POTUS and agencies/departments) and Judicial (courts).
 

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