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Traditional Ammunition Ban to Cause Shortages, Price Spikes

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by erudne, Sep 17, 2014.

  1. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    Lead Ammunition Ban Report
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    National Shooting Sports Foundation
    Sacramento, CA -(Ammoland.com)- The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) today released a new report demonstrating the negative effects that the State of California’s ban on the use of traditional lead ammunition in hunting will have on hunters, the state’s economy and wildlife conservation.
    That report, commissioned by NSSF on behalf of the firearms and ammunition industry, was presented today at a public hearing of the Wildlife Resource Committee of the California Fish and Game Commission. The survey-based report by Southwick Associates quantifies the problems that this ban will cause. Non-lead ammunition is not available for about half of hunting calibers, and the report found the California ban will cause severe shortages nationwide.
    Due to technical and market-based constraints on manufacturers, the implementation of AB711 will at least triple the price of ammunition, driving more than one-third of the state’s hunters to hunt less or stop hunting completely. With the loss of more than 50,000 hunters in the state, California’s economy will see a loss of millions of dollars in salaries and in tax revenue.
    In addition, as hunters are the primary source of conservation funding in the state, a dramatic decline in hunters means fewer dollars for wildlife conservation.
    Access the full report here.
    About The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF)
    The National Shooting Sports Foundation is the trade association for the firearms industry. Its mission is to promote, protect and preserve hunting and the shooting sports. Formed in 1961, NSSF has a membership of more than 10,000 manufacturers, distributors, firearms retailers, shooting ranges, sportsmen’s organizations and publishers.
    About Southwick Associates


    Read more: http://www.ammoland.com/2014/09/traditional-ammunition-ban-to-cause-shortages-price-spikes/#ixzz3DbKjAGZQ
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  2. DieselScout

    DieselScout S Clackamas County Well-Known Member

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    "Lets not panic everyone...." He says running out the door credit card in hand. (not implying he OP is trying to insight panic just saying in general)

    I really don't need this right now lol.
     
  3. Medic!

    Medic! What just happened? Has eagle eyes. But cant remember what he saw. Bronze Supporter

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    Went to the Zoo last month. They have a new Condor exhibit. With an educational station on how lead ammo is baaaad!

    This is a bit of info from the Zoo's conservation blog.

    ''In North America, accumulated lead poisoning — a problem that plagues many predators and scavengers — is the most severe obstacle to the California condor's recovery as a species. As the birds feed on carrion and other animal carcasses, they can unintentionally ingest lead from bullet fragments. Lead consumption causes paralysis of the digestive tract and results in a slow death by starvation. Lead also causes severe neurological problems, so the birds not only starve but suffer from impaired motor functions.''

    Basically what the info board tells you when your standing and looking at the birds.




    Won't be long.
     
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  4. 2506

    2506 Seattle Well-Known Member

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    Who shoots an 8mm?
     
  5. DieselScout

    DieselScout S Clackamas County Well-Known Member

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    So what other population of scavengers is this seen in. We have way more animals that feed on carrion, is the same seen in them?
     
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  6. Medic!

    Medic! What just happened? Has eagle eyes. But cant remember what he saw. Bronze Supporter

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    Hey now! Don't go applying logic to this.

    You know it's a ammo/gun grab scheme. o_O
     
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  7. eldbillbo

    eldbillbo clackamas New world samurai and a redneck none the less Bronze Supporter

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    Yep as more fudds hang up their guns and let their NRA memberships expire the weaker our numbers will be .

    NRA is not a special interest group. It is the voice of America.
     
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  8. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    Congress comes to mindo_O
     
  9. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    I would like to see this round get the respect it deserves, it bridges the gap between 30-06 and 300WM. A new production run of 8mm would put life back into lots of 98 Mausers
     
  10. pokerace

    pokerace Newberg Well-Known Member

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    It's coming to Oregon!!!!


    09.17.14
    Lead Ammo Ban Update
    Yesterday's hearing on lead ammo reinforced everything we were expecting.

    While the hearing subject was listed as "Lead Ammunition Survey" there is no doubt that what will be coming down the road is an attempt to ban lead ammo.
    If some of the more extreme anti-hunting activists have their way, the ban will be on all lead ammo, not just ammo used in hunting.

    While the representatives from Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife did not call for an outright ban, others who came to testify made it clear that that was their goal.
    Myra Finkelstein of the Department of Microbiology and Environmental Toxicology, University of California, and Debra Scheafer of the Audubon Society of Portland both called for a complete elimination of lead ammo. But while their "science" was obviously agenda driven, one comment by Finkelstein was particularly telling.

    (Keep in mind, the efforts to ban lead ammo are all being done in the name of saving California Condors. The claims by the anti-hunting extremists are that condors are dying because hunters use lead bullets. Those bullets "fragment into hundreds of tiny pieces" and are then consumed by condors.)

    Let's leave aside their questionable knowledge of ballistics for a moment.

    Finkelstein noted that a voluntary ban on lead ammo for hunting in Arizona had been "incredibly successful" in terms of its very high compliance rate, but that it didn't work!

    It's pretty clear that when a "scientist" promotes a program that has failed elsewhere, she has an agenda that's a little different than advertised.

    Oregon Firearms was joined by Dan Reid of the NRA and Stan Steele of the Oregon Outdoor Council who did an excellent job highlighting the holes in the anti-hunters' testimony.

    Brad Witt, the Chairman of the committee asked some interesting questions that clarified that the testimony of the "fragmenting bullets" was dubious at best. Vice Chair Sal Esquival pointed out that when he weighed the bullets from an elk he shot, they all weighted exactly the same as when they were fired, again adding to the doubt of fragmenting bullet theory.

    Also pointed out was that California's ban on lead ammo has coincided with an increase in lead levels in condors! As you would expect from California, they are now expanding that ban!

    Coincidentally, NSSF today released a report "demonstrating the negative effects that the State of California's ban on the use of traditional lead ammunition in hunting will have on hunters, the state's economy and wildlife conservation."


    That report is available here.
    The hysteria around lead ammo is interesting considering the massive amounts of lead used and left behind by people other than hunters.

    There is little doubt that the real agenda is against hunting and gun owners and has nothing to do with saving scavengers.
    You can see a video of the hearing by using this link. You will want to scroll down to "House Interim Committee On Agriculture and Natural Resources 2014-09-16 2:00 PM"

    From there you can go directly to the part of the hearing dealing with lead ammo by clicking on the tab that says "Lead Ammunition Survey - Informational Meeting".


    Chairman Witt and Vice Chair Esquival (both of whom are hunters and gun rights supporters) commented on the large number of emails they received on this issue. For all who took time to write, thank you for your activism and thank you to everyone who took time to come to the hearing, especially the large contingent from our friends at Oathkeepers. Rest assured your presence made an impact.
     
  11. 3MTA3

    3MTA3 DMZ between Liberty and Tyranny Behind Enemy Lines Bronze Supporter

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    We have to get real LOUD real fast or lead bullets will soon be a thing of the past.
     
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  12. coyote223

    coyote223 NW Oregon Stamp Collector,,,

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    Wonderful, its still hard to get .22 lr ammo. Now you'll have to pay a fortune just to shoot your .22's with non-lead unicorn feel-good ammo,,,:mad:

    Nothing but a attempt to make shooting so expensive people will voluntarily quit,,,
     
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  13. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Well at least I'll still be able to machinegun the countryside with lead slugs.. I don't really hunt critters much anyway.
     
  14. STUKA

    STUKA Close to Milwaukie Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Me!
     
  15. Modeler

    Modeler Molalla, Oregon Soccer Fan

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    I could be wrong, but I think what the report is saying is that non-lead ammunition will become expensive when it is mandated because the demand for it in within the state of California will far outpace the present supply. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't affect us up here, unless you're a person who uses non-lead ammunition.

    I don't see how it would cause a shortage of traditional lead ammunition in the other 49 states.
     
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  16. Quacky88

    Quacky88 Oregon Active Member

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    Once their foots in the door with this Bubblegum the full offensive on all our gun rights will be close behind. If they can really push this law forward with the grandstand idea or conclusion that lead ammo is killing the dodo bird... Whoops I mean the "Commiefornia Condor". What's next? The use of SBR's is affecting the migration of the Monarch butterfly... Sub sonic use of suppressors is causing dolphins heads to explode.... No really look at these graphs and scientific research we've collected... It's the truth!

    BUBBLEGUM!!:mad:

    Every Sportsman, enthusiast, collector , AMERICAN needs to do their part contacting local and state government to let our collective voice (votes) be heard, they work for us not the other way around, they don't have the Divine Power to tell us " We know whats best for you" Complacency is no longer an option unless your willing to see Tradition & Right for choice and quality of life fall by the wayside in short order.
     
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  17. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    .. Well, all I can say is, buy it like we've been buying it. Here and there.

    Still snagging all my prefered calibers when and where I can for the standard (pre panic) price when I can afford it.

    I am worried about my high volume stuff.. 9mm, 45, 7.62x39 and .223/5.56
     
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  18. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    It's worse than you think, how many mines produce lead in the US? If it becomes an import the price will be up there with silver.o_O
     
  19. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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  20. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Yep and we're flush with lead.. around $.60-1.00 per lb.