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Took the AR Plunge

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by Dyjital, Oct 15, 2010.

  1. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    I was going through Albany and decided to stop at Clips n' Stuff at their new location to see what's happening.

    I liked what I saw and decided to pick up some goodies:

    1. Smith & Wesson M&P15OR
    2. NcStar MarkIII
    3. Extra 30 round mag
    4. Rails
    5. Foregrip
    6. Ammo :thumbup:

    I have been wanting to pick one of these up for some time now and on a whim decided that today was the day. I was very pleased with the look and feel of how it turned out. While I know that there will be modifications down the road I felt that this was a good place to start.

    I'm hoping that I can have time this weekend to go break it in and test out the calculated drop that's built into the scope.....

    I now have stolen the rail mounted bipod from my .22 build and I believe it has found a new home... mounted on the AR.

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    WOHOO!!!

    as it sat on bipod the night it came home (after adding bipod from 10/22)
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  2. spengo

    spengo GLORIOUS CASCADIA Active Member

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    Looks good except for one thing--that scope! NcStar scopes are the WORST. They don't hold zero very well, the illumination is crap and does not work at night at all, and worst of all, the windage and elevation turrets are made of PLASTIC. It isn't even good plastic, it is the worst cheap plastic imaginable, good luck adjusting it without chewing it up. My friend bought one once, we took it to the range, and he returned it the next day. It is literally the worst scope I have ever seen. It cost $100 and the $30 scope I had on my ruger 10/22 was a thousand times better. I would not even put that scope on airsoft. In fact, I think nerf gun optics are better than that scope!

    But yeah... apart from that, S&W M&P15s are great quality rifles, ditch that scope and it will be awesome. :)

    P.S. if you are looking for a decent magnified optic that is inexpensive, you can't do better than the Millet DMS-1. It is pretty much awesome. At $200-240 plus another c-note for a good mount, they are more expensive than Ncbubblegum, but definitely worth it.
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    Also, you might like the magpul moe furniture, you can attach rails in various positions around the handguard and there are VFGs that attach directly to it with no need for a rail. Makes putting basic accessories on your rifle (flashlight, vfg) a breeze and it's cool looking too.
     
  3. jordanvraptor

    jordanvraptor Oregon City, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I had one of those NCStar scopes and it didnt have any problems. No need to spend extra money if you dont need it. If you are just into target shooting and plinking then your setup will work fine. If you are going over to the sandbox and will beat the snot out of it, then you might want more durable kit... :)
     
  4. spengo

    spengo GLORIOUS CASCADIA Active Member

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    If you want a really cheap scope you could do much better than the NcStar tactical scope. Like maybe a $30 bushnell 3-9x designed for a .22lr. Better glass, no ugly illumination that hinders rather than helps, heck, probably even the cheapo rings they come with are better than the NcStar mount. Plus also they come with elite tactical space ranger windage and elevation turrets made of metal that ACTUALLY WORK.

    NcStar is airsoft. Worse than airsoft. Google "NcStar crap" if you don't believe me.

    Personally I'd rather just use irons. :p
     
  5. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    what's the weapon's intended use?

    scopes dont really belong on carbines, especially a first AR. obviously there are applications, but they're few and far between. i'd throw that thing in the trash (even giving away for free would be a damned evil thing to do to someone), get at least 6 months experience on your irons, and then think about upgrading to an aimpoint..
     
  6. spengo

    spengo GLORIOUS CASCADIA Active Member

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    +1 on this. I think some scopes are okay on carbines (low power acogs or 1-4x variable are nice for competition), but yeah definitely learn irons first.
     
  7. KTM530XCW

    KTM530XCW Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Thumbs up to the DMS-1 !!!

    It has a true 1x which is great for quick aiming with both eyes open, and the 4x is just right for coyotes. Price is right too. Benefit to $ ratio can't be beat!
     
  8. C&H

    C&H SW Portland Member

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    Looks like a fun shooter!!

    Give the scope a chance before ditching it like everyone suggests. I have the cheap bushnell 3-9 on my .22 and I hear all sorts if people talking about how great it is for the money. It holds zero for an afternoon if you're lucky, and I've had a heck of a time with bushnell customer service.
     
  9. finch6013

    finch6013 Oregon City Active Member

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    I had one of those scopes on my AR once. It held zero just fine for the 500 rounds I used it. But the mount design on it is the downside. It will loosen over time, and the more you tighten it the more it will loosen. That little metal tab that is used to hold the mount to the nut will bend and break.
     
  10. bingeebob

    bingeebob Portland, Oregon Member

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    Ditch the scope man, get some irons or good optics. NcStar is for toys. :hitwithrock:
     
  11. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    Wow. Good thing this a toy and not for a shtf bug out weapon.

    I'll run this scope till it's served it's purpose. I don't use the illumination so that part doesn't bother me one bit. I will not shoot irons period! Thats for my pistol and my son can learn on open sights. And that's why he's learning on a 1920's model single shot .22

    So other than the scope anyone have any complaints on the rest of my purchase?

    So are S&W ar's a pos too?
     
  12. spengo

    spengo GLORIOUS CASCADIA Active Member

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    No, S&W ARs are very nice. The rifle itself was a good buy. Why no love for irons?
     
  13. C&H

    C&H SW Portland Member

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    Whatever, man.
    People all over have their panties in a bunch today.
    Pay no mind, haters gonna hate.

    Go shooting and have fun!
     
  14. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    I like to shoot beyond what my eyes can see. I am nearsighted and have issues focusing from irons to target back to irons. I have excellent target acquisition with scopes. Have had it that way for years.
     
  15. deadeye

    deadeye Albany,OR. Moderator Staff Member

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    Nice plinker, go out and find out for yourself on the optics I have never had issues with the NC Star items I have. Later you may want to upgrade, but to dump another $500 on a scope at time of purchase without knowing if you actually like the rifle would be a bad idea.
     
  16. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    Thanks deadeye. That's exactly how I feel about it
     
  17. accurateone

    accurateone Eastern Washington Member

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    Hey Dyjital,
    I like your setup, enjoy the fruit of your patience. The S&W is one I seriously looked at, Just a little more than I had budgeted. The setup looks beautiful, let us know how she shoots.:thumbup::thumbup:
    I'm surprised more guys aren't pipping in on "Proper Break-in". I was told minimum thorough clean between each of the first five shots made a huge difference on long term accuracy... What do the "Guru's" suggest?:confused:

    Come on guys, quit giving crap over optics, and give him something useful...
    He'll work the optics issue/preference out after a few trips to the range.
    A1
     
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  18. Iceberg

    Iceberg Forest Grove Active Member

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    Nice looking rifle; now go shoot the crud out of it. With ammo prices sky high, you are going to want a .22 LR conversion kit or .22 LR upper to be able to shoot it as much as you want.

    Remember that you can always upgrade you optics when funds are available. Some good reasonably priced optics are Millet DMS, Vortex Strikefire & IOR Valdada RDS. All of them are available for $200 or less. You should try some other optics options before you spend you hard earned dollars. Last year I bought a EoTech 512, Trijicon ACOG Reflex for my LMT and didn't like them.
     
  19. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    I have already looked into a conversion kit. I have my other toy for .22 rounds. The tack driver :)
     
  20. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    break-in is actually a complete waste of time and barrel.. there are pretty much no quality manufacturers that even suggest it, anymore.

    but the OP's gun is chrome-lined... so break-in wouldn't ever have been something anyone would recommend.