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Today on MSN "Obama backs off assult rifle Ban"

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Warthog, Apr 24, 2009.

  1. Warthog

    Warthog Turner, OR Active Member

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    korntera Oregon Member

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  3. Warthog

    Warthog Turner, OR Active Member

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    I am like these results. Anyone who has bothered to research the ban knows that so called assault rifles are very rarely used in crime.
     
  4. Kennedy

    Kennedy Beaverton Member

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    I love how the percentage against the gun ban is easily 20% higher. And if you read the comments the Sheeple out there really don't have clue what they are saying.
     
  5. chris61182

    chris61182 A little west of Portland Active Member

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    Unfortunately those sheeple vote! And worse yet is that there are gun owners who don't realize that the 'assault weapons' they're talking about banning are not fully-automatic.
     
  6. Kennedy

    Kennedy Beaverton Member

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    Yeah i know. Thats the scary part.
     
  7. motoman98

    motoman98 Gresham, OR Active Member

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    IS, that Obama is a Politician; pure and simple.
    Always searching for the weakness, the wedge, the advantage to further his agenda. He will do whatever his base of support demands. Don't trust this guy a second.
    Strongly support all the groups behind the 2nd Ammendment: we will need them.
     
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    pirateer2007 Spokane Wa Member

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    I feel like quoting the Dropkick Murphys, "We'll win all of the battles, but I'm afraid we'll lose the war to the new American way"

    Who knows. I just pray that my 2 year old son will be able to have and appreciate the freedoms I've grown up with.
     
  9. Warthog

    Warthog Turner, OR Active Member

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    Any President that would change Foreign policy in a budget bill, to sneak it through Congress, is underhanded and can't be trusted. What else are they planning to sneak through Congress without the support of the American voter? At least we knew what Bill was doing in the Oval office.
     
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    SVT N. Seattle Member

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    He won't need it, here's why...

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=95733

    Are you licensed to reload that ammo?
    Alarm raised over treaty provision to ban activity
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    Posted: April 21, 2009
    10:00 pm Eastern
    By Bob Unruh
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily
    President Obama, who supported the handgun ban in Washington, D.C., before it was tossed by the Supreme Court, since his election has watched various proposals to ban "assault" weapons, require handgun owners to submit to mental health evaluations and sparked a rush on ammunition purchases that caused some retailers to name him their salesman of the year. Now he apparently is going after citzens who reload their ammunition.
    It was during an official visit earlier this month to Mexico that he affirmed his support for a proposed international treaty that addresses "firearms trafficking."
    According to a blogger who follows the issue, the treaty was adopted by President Clinton years ago but never ratified by the U.S. Senate, a goal Obama now has adopted.
    The writer, B.A. Lawson, says, "If you reload your own ammo you may find yourself engaged in 'Illicit Manufacturing' of ammunition under an arms control treaty that President Obama started pushing last week in Mexico."
    "Virtually everyone who supports the 2nd Amendment or has an interest in firearms has heard the numerous recent reports of ammunition shortages. The shortages have extended to reloading supplies that many folks rely on to keep their shooting costs down or to assemble exotic or hard to find ammunition. Many shooters have considered reloading their own ammo as insurance against limited supplies should legislation be enacted that would make ammo more scarce or dramatically more expensive," the blogger continued.
    "Those thoughts may be in vain if the current administration is successful in getting the 'INTER-AMERICAN CONVENTION AGAINST THE ILLICIT MANUFACTURING OF AND TRAFFICKING IN FIREARMS, AMMUNITION, EXPLOSIVES, AND OTHER RELATED MATERIALS' treaty passed."
    The treaty defines "illicit manufacturing" as "the manufacture or assembly of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials."
    It then gives authority for that activity only with "a license from a competent governmental authority of the State Party where the manufacture or assembly takes place."
    "The section … clearly identifies ammo reloaders that are not licensed by the government as 'Illicit Manufacturers' of ammunition. Now that we have reloaders properly labeled, lets move down to Article IV to see what we should do with them," the commentary said.
    He then quotes Article IV, which states, "State Parties that have not yet done so shall adopt the necessary legislative or other measures to establish as criminal offenses under their domestic law the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials."
    "This is pretty straightforward. If you reload ammunition without a license after the treaty is signed you will be a criminal," Lawson wrote.
    The National Rifle Association said the treaty "does include language suggesting that it is not intended to restrict 'lawful ownership and use' of firearms. Despite those words, the NRA knows that anti-gun advocates will still try to use this treaty to attack gun ownership in the U.S."
    The treaty is available online.
    At the SnowflakesinHell blog, the writer said there's no mistaking the language.
    Even accessories "which can be attached to a firearm" are targeted.
    "It would presumably also ban home manufacture of these items without a government license. Do you own trigger jobs? Reload your own ammunition? Not any more, not without a government license!"
    The Examiner.com said such international gun restrictions are unacceptable.
    John Velleco, director of federal affairs for Gun Owners of America, notes the benefits for Obama of having such rules in treaties, not legislation.
    "If ratified and the U.S. is found not to be in compliance with any provisions of the treaty – such as a provision that would outlaw reloading ammunition without a government license – President Obama would be empowered to implement regulations without congressional approval," he wrote.
    "If the kind of 'change' that Obama wants is for the United States to take its marching orders from third world countries regarding our gun rights, we're in big trouble!"
     
  11. ZeroRing

    ZeroRing 26th District, WA Active Member

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    Next they will be talking about banning "telescopic sights" because really, what hunter really NEEDS a scope?? Isn't it more "sporting" to use iron sights and give the poor, defenseless animals a "fair chance" at escaping?? :bluelaugh: :bluelaugh: :bluelaugh:

    Yup, you can have your gun but... no bullets and no scope. :dunno:
     
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    The threat/rumor of gun control legislation is designed to distract people like us from all of government's other massive failings, and to make us feel a sense of victory when they don't come to pass. It's a diversionary appeasement tactic that only works if you allow yourself to be satisfied as a citizen with capturing a sacrificed pawn.

    When gun control gets defeated, we need to swallow it up like an appetizer and continue demanding that government be held accountable for its corruption.
     
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    SimonJester308 kitsap county Member

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    Our government is like a boa constrictor. Its grip gets tighter every time you breath a sigh of relief.
     
  14. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Bite back at the ballot box! ;)
     
  15. Thunder

    Thunder Vancouver New Member

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    "Bite back at the ballot box!"

    Damn right!