To the man I sat next to on the train: I am a gun owner

[Certaindeaf]

Heck that was common in big cities here especially NY NY until the early 1900's. I have read stories of how one fire company would place a trash can or box over the hydrant to hide it from the other company until the first company got enough men there to fight off the second. In many cases the two fire companies fought in the street while the building burnt down. The term Fire Company comes from them starting out as private businesses.

And I think up until not too long ago, defacto proof of insurance was via an unburnable plaque nailed somewhere within those premises.

 

[Ura-Ki]

Guns didn't stop the Rape of hundreds and hundreds of women in Europe during the new years celebration just a few days ago! Hundreds of men, old and young were beaten savagely while there women were RAPED by men of Mid Eastern decent yelling Allah Akbar! This is a not to distant future coming to a free country near you! What would these anti gun pasefest people do when this starts happening on American soil? Who do you think they well turn to for help when these animals start Raping and killing right here? The Police? The Government? I bet even then they will challenge who should have the right to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS!!!! I wonder what an unarmed woman is thinking while lying there on the ground with a few of these sand *&@^$ pumping away into her! I wonder if she is wondering where help is? I wonder who she thinks is going to try and end this ungodly act upon her mind, body , and sole? I can not imagine the look on her face as she looks into the raging eyes of her man, the MAN she should trust to protect her, The man who had to endure a savage beating, all the while forced to watch, because HE was unarmed! I want to hear the rage in there voices as they demand some one do something to end these things! I have no such illusions that even such acts committed right here would change any ones mind!!!

 

[clearconscience]

Funny how often that happens especially in portland. I've had it happen and just quietly smile.

I used to have super liberal friends and they would bark about this crap and then I would tell them I have a gun on me. And then because they know me it's changes everything. Oh they were talking about the evil NRA war mongers.
I belonged to the NRA.
I would just tell them I represent 90% of the gun owners, NRA supporters, and 2A supporters they think are evil.

Amazing how many of them wanted to go shooting after that.


And amazing how fast that liberal puke would jump behind you and push old ladies out of the way to run from a evil gunman.

 

[PaulB47]

Heck that was common in big cities here especially NY NY until the early 1900's. I have read stories of how one fire company would place a trash can or box over the hydrant to hide it from the other company until the first company got enough men there to fight off the second. In many cases the two fire companies fought in the street while the building burnt down. The term Fire Company comes from them starting out as private businesses.

Now it is so much more civilized. The fire companies just get it withheld in your taxes. No fuss, no muss.

Of course we now have a technology, residential sprinkler systems, that make fire departments completely unnecessary. But that's government for ya: we have no sprinklers in our houses, and we still pay taxes for fire suppression "service".

 

[DuneHopper]

Just remember, hate is a tool of the ruling class. "Divide and conquer". Also remember, everybody is an individual, even liberals. Treating them otherwise is a form of collective-speak.

Liberals are free individuals however if a person is as I state a Liberal anti-gun and anti-constitution then they are not entitled to freedom of thought nor are they considered exempt from persecution of their free thoughts. I also look at rapists, and murders with the same contempt I do Anti-Gun Liberals. You must understand being an AntiGun Liberal is not a group. Democrats are a group which I am not addressing. A Liberal Anti-Gun is no different then a domestic terrorist which is also not a group but a mind set of people set on the destruction of our Constitutional rights.
I consider myself a very logical and respectful person. To me and Anti-Gun liberal deserves neither respect nor logic they are set on one path and that is destruction. They do however richly deserve my despise of them as individuals .

 

[PaulB47]

One can be anti-gun (that is, personally not wanting anything to do with guns) without being for imposition.

I ran into a lady like that on a homeschooling forum. She was a Quaker lady who abhorred violence. She was also for gun control. I pointed out the error in her reasoning - that to be for gun control is to be for violence. She actually agreed with me and saw the error of her ways, so she dropped her support for gun control. However she still wanted nothing to do with guns and said she would pray for me to give up my guns on my own.

 

[2211]

"Just remember, hate is a tool of the ruling class. "Divide and conquer". Also remember, everybody is an individual, even liberals. Treating them otherwise is a form of collective-speak.

"Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled, and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort."
-- Robert Heinlein"

HA.... you said it..Robert Heinlein, really? Hmm .. spoken like a true wacko communist.. as funny as that presents.

Here is the deal, Heinlein is a socialist, READ his writings. Argh. greatest good ,greatest number? what? the comment is BIG D democracy (not democrat)but in action this is socialism. IF you want a collective, live in one BUT do not put that belief on me>.. ?? I don't have to act like you, walk like you or believe what you do. It is not labeling someone to point out what they have said.

Class, that is a tool of socialism. Democracy, a nation made up to be a republic, does not separate in classes, that sir is a socialist/communist postulate. .. there are no classes just different people of socio-economic position based on THEIR work ethic.

I have worked for what I have (or not).

CERTAINLY everyone can be anti-gun or (NOT!) DEPENDING on their preference. BUT it is MY choice to be so, not the government's.

 

[Member 5605]

Ignorance at its finest:

 

[Boboclown]

Well shoot, and here I was beginning to think that the only people who like guns on the east coast were the southerners. Its not surprising there's people in those yankee states that like guns. I met a good amount of people in NJ that like guns. Few of the ones I met were okay with the laws there, but the rest hated them.

 

[Caveman Jim]

Well shoot, and here I was beginning to think that the only people who like guns on the east coast were the southerners. Its not surprising there's people in those yankee states that like guns. I met a good amount of people in NJ that like guns. Few of the ones I met were okay with the laws there, but the rest hated them.

Yeah but they do tawk phunny don't they?
Brothers in arms!!!!

 

[erudne]

Just remember, hate is a tool of the ruling class. "Divide and conquer". Also remember, everybody is an individual, even liberals. Treating them otherwise is a form of collective-speak.

"Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled, and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort."
-- Robert Heinlein

^He's horribly mistaken^

Fabian Socialist~ Proto-Progressive

 

[PaulB47]

Uh, what does Islam have to do with this discussion?

"Here is the deal, Heinlein is a socialist, READ his writings."

I have read his writings, multiple times. I suspect you read his first book, "For Us, The Living" which was written when he was in the Navy, in 1938, and yes when he was a socialist. It was never published when he was alive and I recall reading somewhere he thought it was his worst book. All his others make him sound more like a Tea Partier or constitutionalist. Certainly there is nothing wrong with "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", (highly recommended), or - other than too much fondness for militarism - "Starship Troopers".

Keep in mind Mike Vanderboegh was a communist when he was young. We all goof when we are young idiots.

 

[PaulB47]

Ah, now I get what the fuss is about. 2211, you simply missed the sarcasm in that quote by Heinlein. Trust me, he was not talking approvingly of "the greatest good of the greatest number."

Go ahead and read those two books I suggested. Heinlein is by far my favorite SF author.

As to my use of the term "ruling class", this is not only a leftist term. It is pretty uncontroversial by now that we are ruled by an oligarchy. Here's a conservative website:

These are the hallmarks of the emerging American police state: where police officers, no longer mere servants of the people entrusted with keeping the peace, are part of an elite ruling class dependent on keeping the masses corralled, under control, and treated like suspects and enemies rather than citizens.

https://www.rutherford.org/publicat...is_marching_in_lockstep_with_the_police_state

 

[dude23]

Found this on another FA board. If people only knew the truth....

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/letters/2016/01/09/man-sat-next-train-gun-owner-you-hate/aSTz3mB9lYC0n3xyObLd5L/story.html?event=event25?event=event25

Right now the Massachusetts Attorney Gen is probably going over CCTV cross referencing train riders with CC apps to bring charges for violating the anti's safe space.

 

[Caveman Jim]

I do hope that is satire there dude23......

 

[erudne]

I do hope that is satire there dude23......

And I hope Obama's not a closet Muslim/Marxist

 

[dude23]

"Just remember, hate is a tool of the ruling class. "Divide and conquer". Also remember, everybody is an individual, even liberals. Treating them otherwise is a form of collective-speak.

"Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled, and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort."
-- Robert Heinlein"

HA.... you said it..Robert Heinlein, really? Hmm .. spoken like a true wacko communist.. as funny as that presents.

Here is the deal, Heinlein is a socialist, READ his writings. Argh. greatest good ,greatest number? what? the comment is BIG D democracy (not democrat)but in action this is socialism. IF you want a collective, live in one BUT do not put that belief on me>.. ?? I don't have to act like you, walk like you or believe what you do. It is not labeling someone to point out what they have said.

Class, that is a tool of socialism. Democracy, a nation made up to be a republic, does not separate in classes, that sir is a socialist/communist postulate. .. there are no classes just different people of socio-economic position based on THEIR work ethic.

I have worked for what I have (or not).

CERTAINLY everyone can be anti-gun or (NOT!) DEPENDING on their preference. BUT it is MY choice to be so, not the government's.

I have a couple issues with this statement.

First their certainly are classes in the US. While economic standing has a lot to do with it, in the most upper sections of wealth, after money, it's more about your breeding/family, where you went to school, where you have your vacation home, what social club you belong to, etc.

Second the US hasn't been a truly free market economy for at least 100 years. The economy is manipulated by the central bank & other massive investment firms. Business is favored to those who are in the truly upper class (connected oligarchical families) & most of these families children are given multi-million dollar trust funds or companies to run with all the connections the family has established over at least one or two generations.

The kind of American dream of self made wealth that was possible during the first 100 or even 200 years is not possible for most people. It's still possible, but not nearly as much upward mobility for not near as many people.

 

[dude23]

I do hope that is satire there dude23......

It should be, but it was more of an example of the possible Orwellian reality that we seem to find ourselves in.

For the record I am not a social justice warrior. I believe in equal rights for all, not in the coddling of a protected class & using government as a tool of petty tyranny.