Time to move?

[wired]

Not sure why this is even a discussion, its not a matter of moving to avoid the invasive gun laws each year we have more states having a trickle down effect from all these other states.
I understand that there are many here who only want the 2nd Amendment defended when its convenient. Many say jobs, are a priority, and they are but at what cost? How one can move, and look at their neighbor and know they are abandoning the fight leaving their neighbor to do the dirty work. How does one do that ? Many here have said to many many others they got your six, do they even know what that means?

I guess owning a firearm, doesn't make you a patriot as had been said the Fudd types just want what ever gun is left and are happy if they still have some crumbs left.

All who are thinking of moving, do you not realize everyone would love to move? They do not many because they are invested in life here. But most wont turn their backs and leave. Or at least I thought so. I was talking with the Mrs about this thread, and she was astounded when I told here so many want to just jump ship. I told I was shocked as well. I look at our forefathers whom had such great courage to do what was hard, because it was the only right and just answer. Id love to just move from here, and actually I could near any state, but I wont leave Oregon. My voice matters.......when others say it no longer does, you are now bowing to Tyranny and being kicked out of this and other states.

Your not moving, your being told to leave or else, and many seem to want to obey these masters on the west, to actually bow down and leave because they are making life hard for gun owners. You leave they win, its that simple. Because a nice Liberal Anti-Gunner will take your house and job when you move. And thats how it starts.

Thats nice thought but the reality of the situation is that within 10-15 years we will have California style gun regs on the entire West Coast. A couple of more wack jobs shoot up some shopping malls, high school football games or elementary schools and no matter how much you try to hold back the initiative process the gun grabbers WILL win. It's inevitable as much as I'd like to think calmer heads will prevail. Question then is do you comply or leave the sinking ship.

 

[Tarawa86]

The damn problem is liberals follow. Any place that has left people alone to prosper, the place of course prospers. Liberals who want to control everything of course turn the places they run into sewers. So the ones who have means of course move to the nice place. Then as soon as they set up there they start pushing the same crap that turned the last place they live to crap. Human nature. Socialism (no matter what they call it) has never worked anywhere in history. Yet there is no end to those who want to try it since they will "do it right" and create utopia. <shrug>

Man, this is so true. It's like rajneeshpuram repeated over and over!

 

[arakboss]

Man, this is so true. It's like rajneeshpuram repeated over and over!

They are like termites. They gobble up our freedoms, culture and anything else they don't like until we're just a shell of what once was. Then leave behind their droppings of Political Correctness and socialized practices before moving on to the next spot to do it all over again. Pass me the Raid

 

[bbbass]

Yikes! Depressing thread. I cannot move. Too old. Too sick. But I am fortunate enough to live on the far east side of this state. And I'm thinking of how sad it is that most of the state is red, not blue, and the major population centers dictate their laws. But day to day life here is mostly pretty good. How long will it take before these outlying areas become the gulag for the Willamette valley?

And I would take it as an opportunity to foster more hatred towards the institution that stuck us there.

Just like every con that has ever been. Might as well go on a hunger strike while you are at it. Get rubber hosed by the guards and shived by the prison gang members. Ugly life. I'd want out of life before I'd do that.

Maybe Idaho is next for them?

It's already happening. My daughter works for the parole board and the second progressive in a row has been put in charge. Nampa is different demographic from what it used to be. And people complain to the news sources about the Calis that are moving in.

They certainly try. The recent D candidate for governor was a real piece of work (think AOC). She lost pretty hard but got more votes than I would have though and I suspect she'll be back next time. Boise has always been the lefty enclave, along with a couple other pockets. There's no question that people are fleeing the coastal states to come here so there is some occasional lefty chatter but no blatant gun-grab talk.
I'm not saying there is no threat, there certainly is. My advice to residents here is to not be as accepting of ALL outsiders. Embrace the like-minded but if they aren't for freedom -- call them on it! And do it publicly. They can either wear the scarlet letter or pack up and move somewhere else.
Idaho can stand. But not if we allow the virus to take hold.

I see the news reports... some people are worried or complaining about Calis taking over, while other are totally downplaying it, saying there is no concern, and that everybody is welcoming these nice folks from Cali. <Blech>

Its the long game that a lot of people cant see imo.
The game the far left plays on 2A, and other topics, is assimilation of territory, populate , vote and move on.
Its the classic Sun Tzu conundrum . Just like Sun Tzu they play Go, not Chess. They concentrate on territory and controlling it , as opposed to Chess where one focuses on the conquest of the forces and not the territory.
People who give up their spot on the Go board(Oregon,Washington,Cali) are replaced by the opposing force to occupy that territory and impose their will on the populous and eventually convert through breading, force and generational brainwashing and so on until it is one sided enough that they can rinse and repeat on a new territory where history again repeats itself on the next generation........its a long game but it works and is a lot more permanent than the chase your opponent(tail) around the Chess board that the good people of the invaded territory play on.

I had the immediate thought of Deaborn Mich, Minnesota, and Texas. Who's going to win, the progressives or the extremes of Sharia? IDK. Maybe China will buy us all out.

 

[DB is Here]

I wonder if it's more simple than Leftist's wanting to take away guns...

IMO I believe that these "Leftist/Statist type's are only after the Government taking care of them cradle to grave. It's these same people that want to destroy Capitalism & Self Reliance, turning everything over to Big Gov to provide for their every need. Taking the guns is what the Leftist Pols realize what it'll take to get that accomplished.

The Leftists voters get everything given to them and the Pols get the "Power" that they desire. It's the perfect marriage.

This is nothing more than 51% of Americans saying they'll vote those in that will give them benefits...
I pray the scales haven't fully tipped yet.

 

[Herb g]

Right on the money, DB. They need to control the guns first, and the rest of the agenda will come easy. Remember when they would smile at you while saying, " we don't want your guns, all we want are these ' common sense' laws to close some ' loopholes'. They must think the time is ripe to make their move, because now they're right out in the open saying they want them, plus, they actually are calling themselves Socialists. Guess what comes next?...the capitol "C" word.

 

[DuneHopper]

Thats nice thought but the reality of the situation is that within 10-15 years we will have California style gun regs on the entire West Coast. A couple of more wack jobs shoot up some shopping malls, high school football games or elementary schools and no matter how much you try to hold back the initiative process the gun grabbers WILL win. It's inevitable as much as I'd like to think calmer heads will prevail. Question then is do you comply or leave the sinking ship.

Its actually more then a nice thought. Its what a patriot of this country would feel, as do I.
You do the third option, like others states and even countries have done you do not recognize those laws as Constitutional. Even Canada's turn in's failed making criminals of millions. Not sure why so many think a choice is leaving. You are not leaving by choice, you are leaving because you were told to. If as if a few men with man buns came and told you get out your not wanted would you do so? Cause many are.. Its convenient to say one is leaving by choice, maybe it helps one retain their man-card. But the fact is your rights are being hijacked, just as if you were driving and someone pulled you outta your car and took it. I know a guy who conceal carries in California all the time, opposing their laws, I know many more who do the same. They could leave but they do not turn tail and run......... they stay.

 

[shibbershabber]

Also there are laws against organizing opposition, unless you are considering unorganized and inneffective opposition.

What laws?

We still have freedom of association... only because the left is using it to beat us over the head with...

Im not talking about protesters out making a lot of noise, nor am I talking about the stereotypical militia either...

Something in the middle. Some way to be organized somewhat, so we know who is who among like minded people in the area...
I dont know, just spitballing here... but organization is the key.

A bunch of us, on our own refusing to comply doesnt make it. Becoming a felon and spending the next 10 locked up doesnt solve the issue either.
Id rather risk drawing a wary eye from antis while counting our numbers than simple risk a felony charge in vain.

 

[arakboss]

View attachment 547392 Right on the money, DB. They need to control the guns first, and the rest of the agenda will come easy. Remember when they would smile at you while saying, " we don't want your guns, all we want are these ' common sense' laws to close some ' loopholes'. They must think the time is ripe to make their move, because now they're right out in the open saying they want them, plus, they actually are calling themselves Socialists. Guess what comes next?...the capitol "C" word.

At least the gal with abs is honest about her intentions.

 

[bbbass]

I wonder if it's more simple than Leftist's wanting to take away guns...

IMO I believe that these "Leftist/Statist type's are only after the Government taking care of them cradle to grave. It's these same people that want to destroy Capitalism & Self Reliance, turning everything over to Big Gov to provide for their every need. Taking the guns is what the Leftist Pols realize what it'll take to get that accomplished.

The Leftists voters get everything given to them and the Pols get the "Power" that they desire. It's the perfect marriage.

This is nothing more than 51% of Americans saying they'll vote those in that will give them benefits...
I pray the scales haven't fully tipped yet.

This is what happened in Venezuela. Guess what, power breeds abuse... man will never change!!

 

[DB is Here]

This is what happened in Venezuela. Guess what, power breeds abuse... man will never change!!

Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely.
-Lord Acton

 

[bbbass]

Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely.
-Lord Acton

Our forefathers were smart enough that they considered all that and tried to balance power. It doesn't always work but would work better if we could turn back the clock.

 

[wired]

The joy of Democracy means that 50% + 1 of the population votes on something and then forces it down the throats of the rest of us. It has nothing to do with constitutionality or man cards or man buns or anything else. The trend in Washington and in Oregon is towards tighter governmental restrictions of firearms and with the rise of populism and liberal tendencies being imported from California that trend is snowballing.
I can say on the internet that if certain gun measure pass by popular vote that I will fight it in the streets but the reality is I would just keep my stuff in the safe and quietly look for a job elsewhere.

 

[DB is Here]

I can say on the internet that if certain gun measure pass by popular vote that I will fight it in the streets but the reality is I would just keep my stuff in the safe and quietly look for a job elsewhere.

We're in a real "Pickle Dick"

 

[titsonritz]

I wonder if it's more simple than Leftist's wanting to take away guns...

IMO I believe that these "Leftist/Statist type's are only after the Government taking care of them cradle to grave. It's these same people that want to destroy Capitalism & Self Reliance, turning everything over to Big Gov to provide for their every need. Taking the guns is what the Leftist Pols realize what it'll take to get that accomplished.

The Leftists voters get everything given to them and the Pols get the "Power" that they desire. It's the perfect marriage.

This is nothing more than 51% of Americans saying they'll vote those in that will give them benefits...
I pray the scales haven't fully tipped yet.

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
― Benjamin Franklin

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
― Benjamin Franklin

 

[titsonritz]

View attachment 547392 Right on the money, DB. They need to control the guns first, and the rest of the agenda will come easy. Remember when they would smile at you while saying, " we don't want your guns, all we want are these ' common sense' laws to close some ' loopholes'. They must think the time is ripe to make their move, because now they're right out in the open saying they want them, plus, they actually are calling themselves Socialists. Guess what comes next?...the capitol "C" word.

Bless her heart.

 

[WoodsPlinker]

Something in the middle. Some way to be organized somewhat, so we know who is who among like minded people in the area...
I dont know, just spitballing here... but organization is the key.

Yeah, might need to form an underground railroad as well to get people to the free states after we are made slaves.

The question is how do you do that without coming across as doing paramilitary activity:

ORS 166.660 - Unlawful paramilitary activity - 2017 Oregon Revised Statutes

I mean you got a bunch of guys into guns getting together and I'm sure a lot of us do our own gunsmithing. Sure would be easy to arrest us for that if we started organizing.

Maybe I'm just paranoid, a bit.

 

[wired]

I guess the well regulated militia part of the 2nd amendment got the heave ho.

 

[shibbershabber]

The question is how do you do that without coming across as doing paramilitary activity:

ORS 166.660 - Unlawful paramilitary activity - 2017 Oregon Revised Statutes

I guess it would come down to who decides that it's for the purpose of using in civil disorder...

1(b) sounds like it could be applies to antifa... As they certainly have instructed each other in the use of weapons during a civil disorder...

But we know that will never happen.

Does WA have a similar statute?

 

[shibbershabber]

I would like to get a legal opinion on that

Why is that not been applied to actual militia groups or the occupation at Malheur, etc?

I wonder what the threshold is?