Time to move?

[Hop Sing]

You may be thinking of Progressives. I grew up around a lot of Liberals. The SJW, BLM, gun control, open borders, late term abortion, child sex change people are Progressives, not Liberals. Liberals may let their hearts get the better of them from time to time, but they know common sense and they don't use hate to make a point. I still have several Liberal friends. They may be wrong more often than I am but they don't let it bother them.

I honestly thought it was the opposite. Historically, it was the progressive movement (led by Theodore Roosevelt and carried on by others) that gave us the 40 hour week, workers' rights, ended child labor, busted blatant corruption and monopolies, established national parks, public education as we know it, etc.

Not arguing, just how I see it.

 

[shibbershabber]

I honestly thought it was the opposite. Historically, it was the progressive movement (led by Theodore Roosevelt and carried on by others) that gave us the 40 hour week, workers' rights, ended child labor, busted blatant corruption and monopolies, established national parks, public education as we know it, etc.

Not arguing, just how I see it.

That's all good stuff... However.... It's clearly become so much more than that over the last few decades.

 

[Flopsweat]

I honestly thought it was the opposite. Historically, it was the progressive movement (led by Theodore Roosevelt and carried on by others) that gave us the 40 hour week, workers' rights, ended child labor, busted blatant corruption and monopolies, established national parks, public education as we know it, etc.

Not arguing, just how I see it.

That's all good stuff... However.... It's clearly become so much more than that over the last few decades.

I'm not old enough to remember Roosevelt. My perspective (and you're right - it's just how I see it, nothing written in stone) is that somewhere around the 60's or 70's people who called themselves Progressives were moving farther and farther to the left. Classic Liberals were backing the same things that they always had. The Democrat Party seems to have moved left with the Progressives and left the Liberals behind. A very good friend of mine recently remarked about how frustrated he is with the Democrat Party and much the two of us agree on political issues (always have, mostly). He looked at me and said "I'm a Republican now, aren't I?". He wasn't even joking. Took it pretty well when I started laughing though.

 

[surevaliance]

 

[wired]

Time to move? Yep.

 

[OldTengu]

I think before too long we'll start to see a growing trend here in Portland that occurred in China some years back, and has started on a small scale. Essentially, people abandon their crap and go back to where their support system (family, close friends, etc) are. On China, they started noticing vehicles left in long term airport parking that were full of possessions. People couldn't find the work they wanted, so they packed up and left, abandoning their vehicles. Its happening here in smaller scales, because, believe it or not, while the labor (skilled trades, construction, janitorial, sanitation) industry in Oregon has grown, the tech industry has hit a bit of a stagnant period, and is in fact, migrating. Most techies can't swing a hammer or push a roller, so they leave. Additionally, we have a lot of skilled workers who migrated for work, and will return home once the work has ceased. We are about to have a lot of very expensive condo's with no one who wants to fork over a ton of income to live in them.

 

[surevaliance]

Time to move? Yep.

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[PNWguy]

Time to move? Yep.

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Sweet Camaro! 70 or 71?

Can't believe you managed to hang on to it in Yakima, which was in the top ten of cities with the highest auto theft rates in America recently...

Cities with the Highest Auto Theft Rates | DMV.ORG

 

[wired]

Sweet Camaro! 70 or 71?

Can't believe you managed to hang on to it in Yakima, which was in the top ten of cities with the highest auto theft rates in America recently...

Cities with the Highest Auto Theft Rates | DMV.ORG

Thats only down in the hood. Back here in the orchards and golf courses its a whole different world.

 

[EPS]

Sweet Camaro! 70 or 71?

Can't believe you managed to hang on to it in Yakima, which was in the top ten of cities with the highest auto theft rates in America recently...

Cities with the Highest Auto Theft Rates | DMV.ORG

Lol he keeps it in a garage and carries a gun .

 

[wired]

Lol he keeps it in a garage and carries a gun .

True

 

[bgdawgrr]

I honestly thought it was the opposite. Historically, it was the progressive movement (led by Theodore Roosevelt and carried on by others) that gave us the 40 hour week, workers' rights, ended child labor, busted blatant corruption and monopolies, established national parks, public education as we know it, etc.

Not arguing, just how I see it.

Maybe you are mixing your Roosevelt's. Theodore did those things, but he was also Republican and conservative.
A famous quote attributed to him:
"To anger a conservative, lie to him; to anger a liberal, tell him the truth."

 

[nammac]

Haven't been to Seattle in 3 or 4 years, after seeing this, I have zero intentions of goin back...

Enlightening... Certainly explains the explosion of homeless (drug addiction) and the hands off policy of the politicians. They could perhaps take a lesson from Rhode Island, they seem to have nailed drug treatment for criminals...

 

[GWS]

Oh no!
Granny Clampett fell off the top!

 

[coyoteman5]

I think before too long we'll start to see a growing trend here in Portland that occurred in China some years back, and has started on a small scale. Essentially, people abandon their crap and go back to where their support system (family, close friends, etc) are. On China, they started noticing vehicles left in long term airport parking that were full of possessions. People couldn't find the work they wanted, so they packed up and left, abandoning their vehicles. Its happening here in smaller scales, because, believe it or not, while the labor (skilled trades, construction, janitorial, sanitation) industry in Oregon has grown, the tech industry has hit a bit of a stagnant period, and is in fact, migrating. Most techies can't swing a hammer or push a roller, so they leave. Additionally, we have a lot of skilled workers who migrated for work, and will return home once the work has ceased. We are about to have a lot of very expensive condo's with no one who wants to fork over a ton of income to live in them.

They are not leaving fast enough and more need to join them and not get replaced by corrupt minded Californians aka anti gun.

 

[Hop Sing]

Maybe you are mixing your Roosevelt's. Theodore did those things, but he was also Republican and conservative.
A famous quote attributed to him:
"To anger a conservative, lie to him; to anger a liberal, tell him the truth."

I think Teddy would be an enigma in today's politics, as he had quite the varied scope of interests from trust busting to creating National Parks and preaching conservation of natural resources. He changed a lot with age though, and was quite a different older man than he was from his younger days.

 

[Flopsweat]

I stopped watching KOMO several years ago after tiring of the constant political bias. This piece was not political in any way, told a compelling story in a very professional manner and offered a practical solution. Very well done. Thank you Eric Johnson! Real reporters do still exist.

 

[awshoot]

Maybe you are mixing your Roosevelt's. Theodore did those things, but he was also Republican and conservative.
A famous quote attributed to him:
"To anger a conservative, lie to him; to anger a liberal, tell him the truth."

No -- he had the right one. Progressive Party (United States, 1912) - Wikipedia

 

[ob1]

While there are a number of positives that can be considered from the formation of the progressive movement, they must be taken jointly... with the darker side:

Eugenics in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[bgdawgrr]

No -- he had the right one. Progressive Party (United States, 1912) - Wikipedia

Correct, but Teddy didn't win/serve as a Bull Moose.
He mos def was one of the most interesting men in history.
I think had he won that election, perhaps WWI and subsequently WWII may have been avoided.