Time to divorce the other side or 1/2 as the case may be..

[bentoncity]

Is this the barrier we need to keep our sanity and constitutional rights? Feel free to chime in and make corrections since I don't live/work/play/visit those strange lands..

Dan

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[sobo]

Is this the barrier we need to keep our sanity and constitutional rights? Feel free to chime in and make corrections since I don't live/work/play/visit those strange lands..

Dan

Pretty much... I go along with, and support, these people in the fight: https://libertystate.org

They put Clark, Cowlitz, and Skamania Counties on the other side of your dividing line...

PS: Absolutely LOVE your avatar...

 

[gmerkt]

Although I live on the "bad" side, I don't disagree.

One of my sisters-in-law lived near Rathdrum, Idaho some time ago. Seems like i remember noise about people there wanting to split northern Idaho off from the rest of the state, then join it with a split-off eastern Wash. making a new state. Never happened of course. Would've made sense.

 

[sobo]

U.S. Constitution does not allow for partitioning parts of more than one state to form a new state.
The Constitution (Article 4, Section 3) only allows for partitioning part of one state to form a new state. That's why it never happened...

 

[Dan Adams]

Is this the barrier we need to keep our sanity and constitutional rights? Feel free to chime in and make corrections since I don't live/work/play/visit those strange lands..

Dan

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There's already a name proposed for it: The State of Jefferson. Way past time to get an initiative going to create the 51st state.

 

[sobo]

Incorrect, sir...
The partition of Washington state, should it come to pass, would result in what would remain of Washington (what we now refer to as western Washington, the West Side, the Wet Side, etc.), and the new state of Liberty.
What you refer to (the State of Jefferson) is the combination of southern Oregon and northern Califauxnia into a single state.
As I previously mentioned two posts upthread, that cannot come to pass as the Constitution is currently written.
That is because Article 4, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution forbids portioning parts of more than one state to form a new state.

 

[bbbass]

Although I live on the "bad" side, I don't disagree.

One of my sisters-in-law lived near Rathdrum, Idaho some time ago. Seems like i remember noise about people there wanting to split northern Idaho off from the rest of the state, then join it with a split-off eastern Wash. making a new state. Never happened of course. Would've made sense.

We in NE OR wanted to get in on that too!!!

 

[Dan Adams]

Incorrect, sir...
The partition of Washington state, should it come to pass, would result in what would remain of Washington (what we now refer to as western Washington, the West Side, the Wet Side, etc.), and the new state of Liberty.
What you refer to (the State of Jefferson) is the combination of southern Oregon and northern Califauxnia into a single state.
As I previously mentioned two posts upthread, that cannot come to pass as the Constitution is currently written.
That is because Article 4, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution forbids portioning parts of more than one state to form a new state.

Thank you! Good to know! My friends at the range told me it was a split at the summit of the Cascades, with E. Wash. becoming Jefferson State. Perhaps the split should run all the way from the Canadian border down to...where in California? And, the Constitution can be changed. (Which is something I suspect the Dems have in mind regarding 2A.) In any case, I'm pro-Liberty State, however it's sliced!

 

[The Heretic]

U.S. Constitution does not allow for partitioning parts of more than one state to form a new state.
The Constitution (Article 4, Section 3) only allows for partitioning part of one state to form a new state. That's why it never happened...

The reason it won't happen today is because it requires, at least, the majority vote of the people in the state. Having some number of people less than half of the residents of a state, try to secede from the state won't work. The fact that there are strong reasons for the majority to hold the state together means the majority will never vote for secession. Don't like what the majority votes for on a regular basis - too bad, so sad - you are stuck with it - anything else is just fantasy.

 

[sobo]

@Dan Adams The Constitution can indeed be changed, although it takes a significant effort, and is pursued under the Article V Convention process of the Constitution, which is distinctly different than the Amendment process. I sincerely doubt that the Second Amendment can or ever will be changed by the Amendment process. I would suspect that such an important Amendment, and one of the original rights under the Bill of Rights, could only be repealed during a Constitutional Convention. Although hundreds of Article V conventions have been proposed since our nation's founding (most of which occurred in the 20th Century), there has never been a successful Article V convention.

 

[ma96782]

Well, Clark county voted for I-1639 so it should be with "the left coast side."

Aloha, Mark

 

[Rickenbacher39]

Fairy tales can come true, it can happen to you, if you're delusional.

 

[sobo]

The reason it won't happen today is because it requires, at least, the majority vote of the people in the state. Having some number of people less than half of the residents of a state, try to secede from the state won't work. The fact that there are strong reasons for the majority to hold the state together means the majority will never vote for secession. Don't like what the majority votes for on a regular basis - too bad, so sad - you are stuck with it - anything else is just fantasy.

With great respect for The Heretic, I disagree with you, good sir.

I concur with the conclusions of James Wesley, Rawles, who I believe a great many of us on this board are familiar, by reputation if not personally. JW,R foresees a split of Washington State into two parts within the next 5 to 7 years. This would coincide with the end of Trump's second term as POTUS, or the midterms thereafter. As you might agree, the Leftists will go absolutely nuts during a second Trump term, and certainly if conservatives take the House in the 2026 midterms if they lose the Presidency in 2024. History shows that turning the House to the party not in the White House occurs all too readily in the midterms.

The Leftists/Socialists/Communists/Globalists in Olympia already hate us and for what we stand/believe. They complain vociferously that the East Side gets $1.25 (or so) from every federal dollar that comes into the state compared to their $0.75 (or so). Why wouldn't they be glad to be rid of us? It's just that much more money for their pet socialist projects and other debauchery. Furthermore, several polls of over 10,000 respondents, conducted across the state, show an average of 70%+ in favor of the split. What is required (by Leftists) before they will entertain a split is a balance of power...

If Washington were to split, it's obvious that the new state of Liberty would be conservative and have two Republican senators. That would shift the balance of power in the Senate from a (current) 53R-45D-2I majority to 55R-45D-2I majority. The Left simply can't have that, and the DNC and the DCCC would never allow the legislators in Olympia to vote upon this issue without a ready balance. However, the only other state/territory in the nation that is close to statehood is Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico certainly leans heavily to the Left, and would be the "offset" to Liberty, thereby maintaining the balance of power. I foresee a day when Liberty will be formed, but only if the Left can also get statehood for Puerto Rico and turn it a solid blue.

PS: It's not a secession, it's a partition. Two very different ideas and outcomes...

 

[The Heretic]

The very simple fact is that the majority won't vote for it anymore than they will vote to support our gun rights. The reason we are loosing is because the majority of the population in Oregon and Washington and California are left of center. They do what their 'leaders' tell them to do.

People have tried to split up parts of Oregon and Washington for decades - and failed.

 

[lucky guy]

Is this the barrier we need to keep our sanity and constitutional rights? Feel free to chime in and make corrections since I don't live/work/play/visit those strange lands..

Dan

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[Dan Adams]

Anybody recall how the United States of America came to be? I didn't pay much attention to history in school, but I'm pretty sure it didn't come about as a result of a vote by the British....

 

[Diamondback]

Simple fix... N Idaho, E Wash and E Ore separately break off from their current states. THEN, once they have their independence they petition to merge.

 

[The Heretic]

Anybody recall how the United States of America came to be? I didn't pay much attention to history in school, but I'm pretty sure it didn't come about as a result of a vote by the British....

Oh, well, if you want to fight it out with the US Army, be my guest.

There was also the Civil War, which didn't turn out too well for the secessionists.

 

[sobo]

Oh, well, if you want to fight it out with the US Army, be my guest.

There was also the Civil War, which didn't turn out too well for the secessionists.

Yeah, I definitely don't think we're there yet.