This not that pronunciation corrections inspired by Sako (Sah Ko)

[Spitpatch]

Was waiting for someone who has at least had a linguistics class or more to come in here and say this, and you certainly explained it more patiently than I would have. Good post.

Next time don't wait. I'll be hated for it.

 

[tac]

Well, I'm a linguist, but I'm not a specialist in linguistics, although I have necessarily studied the construction and etymology of the languages I use most days, one of which pre-dates the arrival of the Romans here in Great Britain [THEIR name for it, not mine, BTW].

So I thought I'd let some body smarter than me come along and take the cr- plaudits.

 

[pigiron]

Well, I'm a linguist, but I'm not a specialist in linguistics, although I have necessarily studied the construction and etymology of the languages I use most days, one of which pre-dates the arrival of the Romans here in Great Britain [THEIR name for it, not mine, BTW].

So I thought I'd let some body smarter than me come along and take the cr- plaudits.

Pictish?

 

[HA556]

Well, I for one like Linguini!

 

[CLT65]

M1 Garand pronunciation:

I did read somewhere that the "incorrect" pronunciation of the name "Garand" has been in use so widely and for so long, that it has become acceptable.

 

[tac]

Pictish?

Nope.

 

[The Heretic]

A post featuring a beautiful Sako rifle was starting to get thread jacked by pronunciation woes.
I'm creating this post as penance for my role in said thread jacking.
Clipped from American Handgunner...

This — Not That: Let's try a few more examples often mispronounced:

Heckler & Koch: Heckler & Kokh, not "kotch" or "coke"

Probably the most mispronounced in the industry - so I assume you are saying Heckler & Cock? Who knows Kokh?

Walther: Val (rhymes with pal) ter

I used to work with a guy from Germany. We got to talking about motorcycles and I told him I owned a BMW (Bayerische Motoren Werke) which I thought he knew since it comes from Germany. He stumbled on the last letter - then after some discussion, he explained to me that generally there is no "double - U" pronunciation for the letter "W" in German, it a variation of "V" and pronounced that way.

 

[.45's and .38's]

What!!!!!!
I been calling it HOPS forever

 

[v0lcom13sn0w]

Sorry.

I reject your euro trash translations and replace them with............ Well?




Merica!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

x2

 

[tac]

Bay Em Vay.

German alphabet - as spogen by Germans, even those from Bavaria.

Ah, bay, tsay, day, ay, eff, gay, hah, ee, yot, kah, el, em, en, oh, pay, koo, air, ess, tay, oo, fow, vay, ix, UpSILon, tzet.

 

[pigiron]

Nope.

Thanks for the clarification!

 

[tac]

No problem - happy to help.

 

[thorborg]

I've always been less than impressed with word bigots who some how feel the need to not just correct, but apparently denigrate others. Quickly they move to the bottom of the list of folks I want to know, and to the top, of the ones to ignore..
In the spunkier time of my life, I would purposely say things just to taunt them.
One that will get them every time is saying "thigh" when talking about your favorite Thi restaurant. When they can't make you say it right, veins start popping from their necks.

 

[The Heretic]

FWIW - I have never heard Sako pronounced Sah-Ko - always Say-Ko.

I worked with a LOT of people from India in my profession and mispronunciation of English words was an issue at times and was treated with humor. OTOH, a lot of the Indians would shorten their names or adopt different pronunciation so that those of us with no experience with their names could use easier to pronounce and remember names.

 

[Stomper]

Since this has a healthy participation rate, a VERY few might be the least interested as to what this discussion is actually about.

It is the age-old debate of the Descriptive Theory of Language vs. the Prescriptive Theory.

In other words, "How people actually talk" vs. "How people 'should' talk". Descriptive Linguists are the "easy going" crowd. Prescriptive Linguists are the "hard-arses".

"Following the rules" (Prescriptive) can extend not only to sentence construction, definitions, verb/noun placement and syntax, but pronunciation itself. "Telling it how it is" (Descriptive) gets bad press because the Prescriptive guys say the linguists themselves are somehow contributing to the "decay" of language.

Best method may lie somewhere between. (see the "gunshop vs. Walther" scenario above: in that setting Prescriptive pronunciation results in no communication).

Let the supposed "knowledgeable" amongst us utilize "Say-Koe", instead of the "correct" vocalization that is a homophone to a punching bag toy that looks like Bozo.

Because if they do, we all know what they are talking about.

Oh, and by the way, "Mannlicher" correctly pronounced is "Mahn Lee (cough up a loogie here and you achieve the "ch") Air"

It takes a cunning linguist to pronounce "Mannlicher" properly....

 

[Stomper]

FWIW - I have never heard Sako pronounced Sah-Ko - always Say-Ko.

I worked with a LOT of people from India in my profession and mispronunciation of English words was an issue at times and was treated with humor. OTOH, a lot of the Indians would shorten their names or adopt different pronunciation so that those of us with no experience with their names could use easier to pronounce and remember names.

Mahnmeet.... Mon-meēt, NOT man-meat.

 

[MarshalChillN]

It takes a cunning linguistic to pronounce "Mannlicher" properly....

I see what youre doing here !!! LOL

 

[oldcorpgunny]

A post featuring a beautiful Sako rifle was starting to get thread jacked by pronunciation woes.
I'm creating this post as penance for my role in said thread jacking.
Clipped from American Handgunner...

This — Not That: Let's try a few more examples often mispronounced:

Heckler & Koch: Heckler & Kokh, not "kotch" or "coke"
Franchi: Frahn-key
Mauser: Mowzer
Carbine: rhymes with car-wine, not car-been
Leupold: Loo-pold
Kahles: Kah-less
Lapua: Lop-wah
Ogive: Oh-jive
Sabot: Sa bow
Meplat: Me plah
Shilen: Shill-un
Mannlicher: Man-lickr
Schönauer: Shown-ower
Lilja: Name of Swedish origin, pronounced Lil-yah in Swedish. However Dan Lilja on videos pronounces it Lil-ja.
Vihtavuori: Veetavoory
Steyr: Shtayar
Fabrique Nationale: Fabreek NashonAL
Geissele: GUYS-el (makers of superb AR-15 triggers)
Kreighoff: CREEK-off
Anschutz: AHN-shutz (rhymes with puts)
Perazzi: Pear-AHTZ-ee
Zeiss: Tsice
Lüger: The umlaut is just about impossible for anyone not fluent in German. I just say Looger and call it good.
Brno: Bruno
Steiner: Schtiner
Fiocchi: Fee-OH-key
Blaser: BLAHzerr
Garand: GAIRend
SAAMI: Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute or "Sammy"
Hoppe's: Hop-ease
Walther: Val (rhymes with pal) ter
Star: Estar
Llama: Eyamma

I think that Ben Franklin said it best: "YOU need not be concerned, in writing to me, about your bad spelling; for, in my opinion, as our alphabet now stands, the bad spelling, or what is called so, is generally the best, as conforming to the sound of the letters and of the words. To give you an instance." And so it is with pronunciation of words. Unless asked for the correct American pronunciation of a word, sometimes correction is simply rude.

 

[tac]

I agree with Spitpatch - some pronunciations are just too funny to be taken seriously. We had twin boys of my age at my school whose father was the Thai ambassador's right-hand man. We called them OH, as in Ockham, and Ng, as in siNG-ing. They were a total hoot. Their full names in their own language would have occupied about three lines here...

 

[oldcorpgunny]

I see what youre doing here !!! LOL

I believe that there is already an accepted name for a "man licker."