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This is the insanity we are dealing with

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by IronMonster, Dec 14, 2014.

  1. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shann...nt_1_b_6322800.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

    For months, Moms have called on Kroger to make a safer and more family-friendly shopping environment by prohibiting the open carry of firearms in its stores, just as brands including Target, Starbucks, and Panera have done.

    Instead of meeting with us and reconsidering an irresponsible policy, Kroger's leadership has refused to listen. They have pressured radio stations to reject our ads and relocated their annual investor meeting to avoid interacting with customers. Just imagine how much easier it would have been if they would talk with us.

    This morning Kroger executives and investors met in Cincinnati and I was there, along with dozens of Moms Demand Action volunteers from neighboring states, to make it as easy as possible for Kroger leadership to meet with us on an issue that women and mothers care about more than anything: the safety of our families. Rather than agree to a meeting, Kroger bullied radio stations into pulling our ads highlighting the absurdity of their gun policy (you can listen to the ads here and here). And before sunrise today, Kroger bussed its investors out of the hotel where they were planning to meet and to an alternate location -- probably to avoid the rally of mothers and customers we had organized to spark a conversation with them.

    Evidently Kroger is growing uncomfortable with their gun policy, and frankly, they should be. Kroger is siding with gun extremists, rather than mothers, gun violence survivors, and the majority of Kroger shoppers, who support ending open carry in Kroger stores.

    Moms refuse to be silenced. The ads that made Kroger so nervous are nothing more than recordings of Kroger employees reiterating Kroger's policy, which is to prohibit children's toys and household pets in the name of customer safety, but to allow anyone to openly carry loaded firearms, even though no permit, training, or background check is required to do so in most states.

    Instead of working with us to make stores safer, Kroger has cited politicians' inaction to regulate open carry to justify their own stubborn refusal to institute a policy that does more than force employees and customers into a position where they must guess whether the armed individual in the frozen food aisle poses a threat to customers.

    How are moms shopping with children expected to know the difference between an activist and a threat to our families? In a majority of states, it is completely legal to open carry a loaded gun in public without any training, permitting, or a background check. In some states, there isn't even an age requirement to open carry a loaded firearm.

    That's why open carry poses a unique risk to the public. That's why we want Kroger to act, just as so many other major companies have done. And 83% of Kroger shoppers agree -- Kroger is well within their rights to stop open carry.

    When I founded Moms Demand Action the day after the tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary, I knew that it would be a long road towards gun safety. Since then, millions of Americans have joined this fight and we will continue to be relentless whenever we feel the safety of our children is threatened.

    Kroger's customers deserve to be heard and Moms won't stop until we get the change we need.
     
  2. TastyWheat87

    TastyWheat87 Washington Active Member

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    Make sure to take the poll: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/..._to_moms_petition.html#incart_related_stories

    Current results:

    Should Fred Meyer continue allowing customers to openly carry guns?
    Yes - the company is simply adhering to local laws. 87.41% (2,034 votes)

    No - I don't want the possibility of seeing guns when I'm shopping. 10.83% (252 votes)

    Other - please comment below 1.76% (41 votes)

    Total Votes: 2,327
     
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  3. Monica Cowles

    Monica Cowles Grays Harbor, Washington Member, NRA (Life) USCCA, ACLDN, SAF (Life) Staff Member Silver Supporter

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    HA! 87.46% yes now...those folks delude themselves about the 'support' of their cause....they should seriously quit looking in the mirror when they do their counting...o_O
     
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  4. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    When was the last time anyone was assaulted inside a grocery store...? Guns or otherwise...
     
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  5. RW-Ore

    RW-Ore Oregon Well-Known Member

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    But,but,but....90% of gun owners want back ground checks and we should really just out law all guns because there scary and then the criminals couldn't get guns because there wouldn't be any and it's for the children you know.
    Facts ? they don't need facts and if you push them for some they will ignore you or dig up something old and out of date.
    They have their personal feelings and they are right , how dare you question them.
     
  6. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    That is the issue with the entire anti gun movement, it's entirely about feelings.

    They are trying to force stores to prohibit open carry. Ok, well no criminal is going to open carry. No one who intends to do you harm is going to show off a holstered weapon while strutting around. Come on, could you use that grey muck between your ears for just a second? It's asinine. It is fear of an imaginary threat that simply does not exist in the real world.
     
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  7. BillM

    BillM Amity OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Do 7-11's count as grocery stores? If so--a couple of weeks ago in McMinnville.

    There have been several assaults---armed and not--at Fred Meyer stores in the past
    few years. And wasn't there a shooting at a Safeway in Portland earlier this year?
     
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  8. TastyWheat87

    TastyWheat87 Washington Active Member

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  9. decklin

    decklin WA Well-Known Member

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    Happens all the time. Most never make the news. Why would they?
    I'd be willing to bet an assault happens in a grocery store or their parking lot at least once a day in every state.
    I work in retail. I'm in what is considered a very "safe" area and things happen several times a year.
     
  10. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    Ah Ha, Joe beat the caveman to it!!!!! & has anyone ever been shot in a Kroger????

    Grass roots my azz, they be smokin that chit!!!!!
     
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  11. spectra

    spectra The Couve Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    There was a member here who had a altercation at a Safeway store.
     
  12. redmud

    redmud Colombia river Active Member

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    About 4 years ago my Fiancé was shopping at Safeway when she noticed some guy following her so she called me and tried to loose him, but he kept following her, so she ditched the groceries and left the store as she walked out she checked over her shoulder, he had ditched his cart as well and was still following her.

    She quickly jumped in her car and drove home, I met her in the driveway and sure enough some guy pulls in behind her car, I walked toward him and he just sat there in his car staring at me for 30 seconds before he left.

    I hadn't owned a firearm for 5 years, I sold them when my first daughter was born.
    Now I know that storing a gun safely is the best option rather than nothing at all, and educating my kids.

    I got a case of the what ifs big time after that weird experience.
     
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  13. YoungBlood

    YoungBlood SW Washington Active Member

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    Do you and your spouse now carry? Teach the kids at least that guns are not toys? Too bad you didnt get the creeps plate number for future reference
     
  14. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Glad to hear that ended without a tragedy, but he knows/knew where she/you lives/lived... you should NEVER lead them back to where you live, ever. o_O
     
  15. redmud

    redmud Colombia river Active Member

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    She doesn't carry, she is happy knowing she has access to protection at home. I wish I could convince her otherwise. She was never around firearms growing up.Yeah the plate number would have good "it all happened so fast" [emoji5]
     
  16. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    "The 'Issue' is never the 'Issue'. The issue is always the Revolution"
    ~Lenin~
     
  17. TastyWheat87

    TastyWheat87 Washington Active Member

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    I mean this respectfully, and with every intention of helping you and your wife be as safe/prepared as possible:

    Show your wife some of the horrors of this world. Go over to liveleak and show her some of the vids and images people have posted there. My wife was really oblivious to the the terrible things human beings do to other human beings. I showed my wife some of the things that go on in this world and that convinced her to arm up. These events are difficult, and revolting to watch, but they happened, and we should all learn from those who have unfortunately lost life and limb and do our best to prevent ourselves and our loved ones from becoming the next unfortunate victim.

    Now if only some of the anti's would go there and witness what people do to each other with cars, baseball bats, knives and machetes...maybe they would wake up and realize that being able to defend yourself is not a bad thing...but knowing the anti mindset, they'd probably just scream for bans on everything.
     
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    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    I think it was last summer.... at a FM/Kroger that some white kid was caught in a black 'flash mob' and was severely beaten.
    Maybe had some been carrying.......
     
  19. redmud

    redmud Colombia river Active Member

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    I tried to get her to drive past our driveway and circle the block so I could get a look at the guy and his car to try to loose him, but she was so freaked out she just pulled.

    I was on high alert for some time afterward. My buddy loaned me his Glock 30 until I was able to get something of my own.
     
  20. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt NE Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Memphis, Tennessee Kroger 9-6-2014
     
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