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This is more than wrong!

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Scott, Apr 1, 2012.

  1. Scott

    Scott Battle Ground Well-Known Member

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  2. matthew029

    matthew029 Oregon, United States Member

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    I agree and that's all I'm gonna say.
     
  3. pchewn

    pchewn Beaverton Oregon USA Well-Known Member

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    It's just a bird. Now that it is no longer endangered, I see no problem with a few being hunted. I think the OTHER symbol of America (the Native Indians) have been treated so poorly by us that they deserve to be 1st in line for eagle hunting permits.
     
  4. Nigel_Vertigo

    Nigel_Vertigo [REDACTED] New Member

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    Stupid, misleading title (big surprise since it's dealing with Obama and coming from "conservative" blog site [not that I like O, I just hate manipulative political bullbubblegum]). It's a one-time permit for an Indian tribe to kill TWO bald eagles for ceremonial purposes... not opening up nationwide hunting on them. I see no problem with that.
     
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  5. Scott

    Scott Battle Ground Well-Known Member

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    You can Google it and you will get the same results from thousands of sites period! Plus this countries economy is soaring back.

    This will be a one time saying for me. If it was Bush I would feel the same way.

    Any killing of our nations icon is just wrong. Plus like mentioned above our flag is just as important and if I seen someone burn it I would have serious issues.

    It's just 2 birds, that's right I see them every day in my front lawn and on my way to work because there are so many.

    Maybe because I served for 12 years I have a different take on the issue. I don't know if you did or did not but its just to 2 many for me.

    But again this is America....


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  6. Scott

    Scott Battle Ground Well-Known Member

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    It's just a bird? Wow can't believe you just think it is just a bird.

    Yes Native Americans got hosed a long time ago but they ate paid billions every year and have thousands of casino's.

    We can't forget the past but we have to move forward instead of back.



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  7. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Nothing like a good laugh before retiring for the evening. The Economic Collapse

    Count me among the people who believe we owe a lot to Native Americans and if they want to blast two eagles, go for it. They are the real people of this land, we are the stench that floated over.
    (They had to hold flowers under their noses upon greeting 'us' because most of our ancestors bathed once or twice in their lifetime. The clean freaks bathed once a year).

    Their religious nonsense leads them to kill a couple birds? - BFD. Who are we to judge? Our religious nonsense justifies killing a million+ innocent people just this decade, with no apologies.

    Happy shooting Red Bear!!
     
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  8. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    Well, when I served I swore to uphold the Constitution, all the parts. And the 1st Amendment let's people practice their religion as THEY see fit. This is a free exercise of their religion. You might not like it, but there it is.

    As for not seeing a lot of them around, that has more to do with white people than religious exercises of native peoples.
     
  9. pchewn

    pchewn Beaverton Oregon USA Well-Known Member

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    Ben Franklin thought even less of the bald eagle:


     
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  10. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    However.....Ben Franklin's description of the Eagle is exactly what our government has become....
     
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  11. Scott

    Scott Battle Ground Well-Known Member

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    Yes for religious regions? I just saw 3 people were sacraficed for religious beliefs in Mexico. A 5 and 8 y/o boy plus a 75 year old women. I guess if it were for religious reasons its cool.

    Plus when I served I gave up all my rights...... Well it looks like me and only one other care if they kill the bald eagle......

    What a shame.... I am surprised by that. But yes this is where the first amendment comes in.....
     
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  12. Bob D

    Bob D Oregon, Cascades Well-Known Member

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    It is a bird. Not endangered. I've seen several of them in the last few years. If they have a reason to kill some of them, and they've use the proper legal procedure, let them. I'm a past and current member of the US Army, My basic training company was the Echo Eagles, and a former Boy Scout, my patrol name was the Eagles... I understand that the bald eagle is a symbol of American freedom, but that does not mean that it should be revered or worshiped. It's the freedom that's important, not the symbol.

    Plus, Bald Eagle tastes like a cross between Spotted Owl and California Condor. yumm.
     
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    jonn5335 Longview Active Member

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    The turkey almost became our countries bird if it was would you refrain from eating it every Thanksgiving ? ? ? The eagles are no longer endangered get over it.
     
  14. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    I really don't care if some Indians harvest a Bald Eagle or two.
     
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    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Neither do I but the article linked in the initial post indicated that dead eagles and their body parts are kept in a repository and that Native American tribes can apply to obtain those parts. Not sure if kiling the birds is necessary but if it is necessary per the tribal traditions and beliefs then the 1A applies equally.

    On a side note, the Wind River reservation in Wyoming where the Arapaho live is a violent, dysfunctional, and depressed place. If having a ceremony where live eagles are obtained for religious use and it brings back some sanity and spiritual richness and peace to the area then by all means take the birds.
     
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    jimwsea Vancouver, Washington state Active Member

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    A line from the article......

    "...permits allowing the killing of bald eagles are exceedingly rare, according to both tribal and legal experts on the matter."

    I read this statement as permits allowing the killing of bald eagles have been given out in the past. I have no idea who was president at those times, or even if those presidents knew that such permits were given out.

    Just don't take this one... An eagle, a fox and my cat all getting along fine on my porch - YouTube
     
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    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    To seriously compare harvesting a bald eagle ( a bird ) with human sacrifice is beyond belief. I understand that you are upset that eagles might be harvested for native ceremonies, but come one....at least keep it realistic.

    As for giving up rights while serving, that isn't entirely true. We had our rights, just had to ensure that the UCMJ was followed, which is expressly what is allowed in the Constitution. Art 1, sec VIII gives Congress the power to make the laws governing the military.

    Hope you have a nice day.

    RHF
    SSG, USA (Ret)
     
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    coop44 Tacoma ,WA Well-Known Member

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    I never killed an indian (pardon me, native american) they never attacked my settlement, don't feel I owe them anything. The eagles mentioned are to be taken for use of their feathers in ceremonial dress, I heard somewhere the park service collected accidentally killed eagles for this purpose. Evidently they are not the smartest birds in the world. Why waste the time even talking about this.
     
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    Sling Blade Yamhill County Well-Known Member

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    Eagles were part of Native American religions long before they became a symbol of the US, so if you look at it that way, religion gets dibs.
     
  20. DEADTIME

    DEADTIME Coeur D alene Active Member

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    I wonder if eagle tastes like chicken.....