Things to worry or laugh about in the CCL world.

[SheepDog223]

What are your concerns and or considerations when it comes to concealed carry in public that other CCL holders might or might not have thought of? Odd or otherwise. For example: Using a public restroom, do you use the open urinal or the enclosed sit downs? If you use the sit downs are you concerned with a passerby accidentally seeing a profile of your carry gun? Your thoughts on this matter and others...

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[candyman]

if hes looking in the stall and gets the crap scared out of him its his own fault

 

[AOTAC]

oops, I forgot what I was going to say.

 

[twoclones]

I shared this with my friend, who is always carrying. He said he would have drawn on the man.

You need smarter friends.

 

[RallySoob]

Is there literature on when it is 'legal' to draw your firearm? To my understanding it is only to be done in a life threatening situation...

The situation above was definitely not a life threatening situation for anyone

 

[twoclones]

Is there literature on when it is 'legal' to draw your firearm?

Dave Workman's book is a pretty good reference for those of us in Washington State and would be a good reference for other Northwesterners. Massad Ayoob says "Don't draw your firearm unless you are prepared to shoot."

If the idiot friend mentioned above had drawn on the drunk, passerbys may have been the only ones frightened...

 

[SheepDog223]

I agree with the majority here. Taking a life is serious business and should only be done to prevent immediate and emminent risk to life, maiming, or rape. I would say a good rule to shoot by would be if your willing to go to prison and lose everything you own forever, it's a justified shooting. (Exeptions apply) Any more funny CCL stories in here?

 

[swoop]

When to use it.

I had a situation downtown where a man was physically pushing/guiding a woman down the street one night after bar close. She was verbally non-compliant but in my opinion, not giving her all to get away. At least 15 passerbys watched this happen without saying a word. I followed the couple and verbally confronted the man for half a block before reaching a parking lot. He kept telling me to mind my own business and that this was his girl as he shoved her into a car.

Upon reaching the lot, I realized my efforts were in vain so I whipped out the cell and called 911. I also told him I was doing this, in hopes it might change his mind. I stood behind the car but backed away when the reverse lights came on. Gave the description of the car, license plate and direction they were traveling to the operator. Not sure what ever became of it.

Throughout the whole confrontation I left myself wide open to assault and several times the subject was well within striking distance. I should also mention that I was pretty inebriated at the time and was armed with only a pocket knife.

I shared this with my friend, who is always carrying. He said he would have drawn on the man.

After thinking about it for a long time, the only thing I'd have done differently is to call the cops right away. Perhaps they could have gotten there before the car left the parking lot.

Don't know, is the guy a pimp? or just trying to get his wasted girlfriend home. She wasn't asking for help I think you did the right thing, but your friend needs to get a clue.

 

[AOTAC]

I wouldnt have the slightest clue if the guy was a pimp. How do pimps dress these days? BTW, no one said he was drunk Twodrones.

As for drawing on the man, I figured there would have been a lot more people in agreement with it, judging only from the asinine things I've seen written here from time to time.

This is getting away from the thread though, which was not my intention.

 

[Mutoman]

Sounds like you tried everything short of physically holding the guy from getting into his car. Of course you may have had some legal issues if the guy wasn't intoxicated and he was just an honest pimp trying to make an honest living.

Drawing a gun on someone is meant to stop deadly physical harm in that situation, you would have a hard time convincing that the girl was in immediate danger of her life.

Hopefully the police caught up with them and sorted the problem out.

 

[Mutoman]

By the way, at least you did what a man should do, you stepped in to help a damsel in distress while many just watched.

 

[Contento]

The problem with helping a dumb broad like that is she'll go back to that dude who mistreats her time and time again like a lost puppy.

If she really wanted to get away she'd put up a serious fight...chances are these two get drunk and fight in public every weekend.


Saying something to them and calling the cops is a perfectly acceptable response, let them sort if out from there.

 

[AOTAC]

You know it's funny you say that. I had another confrontation with a man at the casino who was pushing/throwing his girlfriend up against a car repeatedly as she tried to get away. My friend and I, and eventually two security guards confronted them. For some reason the poof kept getting up in my face, inches away from my face, all the while screaming at us. We let security handle it and heard later that the girl left with the guy anyway. "Dumb broad" is right.

My Dad used to tell me if I ever get into a fight with a man who's beating his woman, to watch my back... as soon as you're not looking, she'll jump on it.

I vow that next time this happens I will at least take a defensive posture

 

[Mutoman]

That's why I like the "one goes to jail" law for domestic abuse situations, If they are going to continue to waste police time, at least one of them is going to get a cement bed for the night.

 

[elsullo]

Bennyhonda, your dad has good advice! Sadly when alcohol is involved, often times the "damsel-in-distress" is complicit in her adventures. Nevertheless, a real man has to intervene somehow---thank heavens for cellphones to call the police! Sometimes, "no good deed goes unpunished."

And, thankyou for remembering that you were drinking! Also, thankyou for not carrying a gun while drinking!..........................elsullo

 

[Abe Froman]

I believe that drawing a weapon on someone who is not causing or threatening to cause serious bodily harm or death would be considered menacing, and is a crime. Whether your lack of common sense friend thought that he was doing the right thing or not, ignorance is no excuse.

 

[elsullo]

Regarding Sheepdog's original post: If you use a "fanny-pack" for legal concealed carry make sure that it is secure! I used to use a good quality fanny pack for hiking in the woods that had snaps to hold it shut. Aparently I had weakened the snaps from too much draw-practice. Once, when I undid the belt clasp the pack swung down by centrifugal force and expelled my on-safe pistol, clattering across the kitchen floor. My (now-ex) wife was OUTRAGED that I thought we might possibly need protection in the Columbia Gorge hiking trails. Nevermind all of the shattered car window glass in the parking areas.......................elsullo

 

[AOTAC]

I'm picturing the look on your face when that happened. Makes me chuckle.

 

[KENOC]

A sensei i once had, once of the wisest men i ever met, taught us something that i will never forget to this day.
Never, ever, and i mean never, draw on someone unless you are willing to kill them or die trying, and willing to go to prison for life. And never fight someone unless you are willing to kill them or die trying, and willing to go to prison for life.
I have learned that there is VERY little in life worth killing, dieing, or rotting in prison for.
What he taught us to do in a situation like that is to back-off, out of harm's way, and yell to the woman if she needs help and would like you to call the police?
My sensei was a tiny man, who could have killed ANYONE within about a half a blink. The least amount of brute force to accomplish the task is always the best solution.
In otherwords, you are a wise man to do what you did and not draw or fight the man.