The second deputy pointed the weapon at the first deputy...

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Flopsweat, Apr 27, 2016.

Tags:
  1. Flopsweat

    Flopsweat
    Slightly right of center
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,985
    Likes Received:
    5,066
    "and – apparently unaware the weapon was loaded – pulled the trigger."

    That's a direct quote from the article.

    http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...-Weapon-Inside-Hall-of-Justice-375642301.html

    They've clearly got some of the details wrong, of course, but if half of it is true, Santos should be charged with whatever passes for reckless endangerment down there. Not being a fluffy bunny or whatever they've renamed it to. Sadly, being San Francisco, they'll probably put him in charge of safety training.

    Now to the incompetent reporting:
    The holes in the picture are not from a .22. They look like they could be from a 9mm or so. The term "Baby Glock" refers to the models 26, which is 9mm. So where did they get 22 from? Well, there is a Glock 22, but it's a 40 caliber, which makes holes about the same size as 9mm, but it's not easily confused with the 26. I recognize that reporters can't be experts on every subject, but two minutes on any internet search site would have told the reporter that things were way off kilter. <sigh>

    And last but not least, how do you miss from pistol sharing distance? Not that I'm anxious to see the other officer shot, but who is this guy, Cyril Figgis?
     
  2. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim
    West of Oly
    Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer 2017 Volunteer

    Messages:
    7,702
    Likes Received:
    16,719
    More incompetent reporting:
    it was reported as an accidental discharge.
    BS, IT WAS A NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE.
    Nothing about that incident shows accidental!!!
     
    BDA.45, decklin, mjbskwim and 5 others like this.
  3. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu
    Oregon
    Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

    Messages:
    9,410
    Likes Received:
    17,533
    No, no, no, Jim! If an official does it, it's an accidental discharge! Hardly worth bothering about!
    If one of us does it, then it's a negligent discharge! Probably a felony!:D
     
    decklin, mjbskwim, nammac and 8 others like this.
  4. Fast Eddie

    Fast Eddie
    Vancouver
    Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    747
    Likes Received:
    782
    We need real heroes that stand for truth, justice and the American way.
     
    Last edited: Apr 28, 2016
  5. AndyinEverson

    AndyinEverson
    Everson, Wa.
    Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

    Messages:
    4,944
    Likes Received:
    21,218
    I was not there and reading a news report isn't the best way to get all the facts.
    But if someone hands you a gun and says they don't know how to operate it , why would you point it at them?
    Let alone pull the trigger?

    Firearm ID is also very important.
    I get a lot grief when I complain when the wrong term or name of a type of gun is used, but getting the terms or names of firearm types correct is important.
    It can end up being another "wrong fact" put out there to be used.

    I also agree that this was not a accident , but indeed negligence.
    One officer pointed a gun at another.
    This same officer neglected to first check to see if the gun was unloaded and then neglected to ensure muzzle control.

    We are all guilty of making mistakes , I am not saying that I have never mishandled a gun.
    But mistakes with firearms can leave someone dead.
    I am glad that this is not the case in this story.
    If nothing else I hope that this story reinforces the safety practice of always checking to see if the gun is loaded , before you do anything else.
    Andy
     
    Capn Jack likes this.
  6. Joe13

    Joe13
    NW of Vancouver
    Opinionated & Blunt Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer 2017 Volunteer

    Messages:
    8,685
    Likes Received:
    17,581
    He could have just looked down the barrel if he wasn't sure if it was loaded or not and saved some time...
     
  7. Vanillagerrilla

    Vanillagerrilla
    Vancouver, WA
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    290
    Likes Received:
    371
    whatever happened to the good ol' " Desk Pop " ?
     
    Flopsweat likes this.
  8. nammac

    nammac
    I-5 Corridor - West of Portland
    Constitutionalist Silver Supporter

    Messages:
    3,269
    Likes Received:
    9,549
    So am I the only one that thinks the bullet hole in the storage locker is just a wee bit larger then a .22????

    Or perhaps that's just a miniature locker....
     
    salmonriverjohn and Joe13 like this.
  9. DeanfromOregon

    DeanfromOregon
    Wilsonville
    Amateur Ascended Master Platinum Supporter

    Messages:
    856
    Likes Received:
    1,035
    Don't be so harsh, it just went off! Guns are dangerous!
     
    Patriot1668 and Joe13 like this.
  10. Joe13

    Joe13
    NW of Vancouver
    Opinionated & Blunt Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer 2017 Volunteer

    Messages:
    8,685
    Likes Received:
    17,581
    Good thing he didn't poke someone's eye out!!!:eek:

    Not a .22 hole:s0002:.

    I'm with the 9mm or .40 cal guy.

    image.jpeg
     
    nammac likes this.
  11. DeanfromOregon

    DeanfromOregon
    Wilsonville
    Amateur Ascended Master Platinum Supporter

    Messages:
    856
    Likes Received:
    1,035
    I'm in for a .45 based on the width of the labeling tape.
     
    nammac, PiratePast40 and Joe13 like this.
  12. Sstrand

    Sstrand
    La Grande OR
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,082
    Likes Received:
    3,701
    Maybe it's a good thing that when seconds count coppers are minutes away!?!?!?!?

    Sheldon
     
    Joe13 and STUKA like this.
  13. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace
    Tacoma-ish
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,691
    Likes Received:
    2,152
    A friend of mine who worked at the indoor range at Wade's in Bellevue says some of the most dangerous customers they had were police.

    Poor muzzle discipline, bad marksmanship, generally unsafe handling was commonplace.

    Not all police are careless with their weapons and some can really shoot well. But there's that old saying, "The empty (wooden) barrel makes the most noise". Foghorn leghorn is gonna be the one who blows off someone's toes or puts a round through a locker.
     
    Caveman Jim, Joe13 and nammac like this.
  14. Flopsweat

    Flopsweat
    Slightly right of center
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,985
    Likes Received:
    5,066
    Some officers think that the minute you put a badge on you're automatically an expert on law, public relations, driving fast and firearms. The rest of them actually work to get good at those things.
     
    Caveman Jim and Joe13 like this.
  15. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace
    Tacoma-ish
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,691
    Likes Received:
    2,152
    Yeah. Job hazard so to speak.
     
  16. ogre

    ogre
    Vancouver, WA
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,093
    Likes Received:
    2,360
    I hear this quite a bit but even I cannot be everywhere all of the time.
     
  17. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace
    Tacoma-ish
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,691
    Likes Received:
    2,152
    Nice, Ogre. :s0112:
     
  18. oknow

    oknow
    amboy wa.
    Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,103
    Likes Received:
    5,167
    [QUOTE="Flopsweat, post: 1439628, member: 19284"]Some officers think that the minute you put a badge on you're automatically an expert on law, public relations, driving fast and firearms. The rest of them actually work to get good at those things.[/QUOTE]

    The worst part is that most of the public believe that too.
     
  19. Hrethgir

    Hrethgir
    Beaverton, OR
    Active Member

    Messages:
    370
    Likes Received:
    233
    "The round missed the her,"

    I'm glad the her didn't get hit....

    And why is nobody losing a job over this? The one brought a gun into the Hall of Justice that shouldn't have been there, and the other was unsafe with it and accidentally fired it twice (???), yet they both still have their jobs are are just getting a wrist slap and firearms training. If one of us had had an ND in the Hall of Justice before even getting to the security checkpoint, how long of a jail term would we be looking at?
     

Share This Page