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The second deputy pointed the weapon at the first deputy...

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Flopsweat, Apr 27, 2016.

  1. Flopsweat

    Flopsweat Slightly right of center Well-Known Member

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    "and – apparently unaware the weapon was loaded – pulled the trigger."

    That's a direct quote from the article.

    http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...-Weapon-Inside-Hall-of-Justice-375642301.html

    They've clearly got some of the details wrong, of course, but if half of it is true, Santos should be charged with whatever passes for reckless endangerment down there. Not being a fluffy bunny or whatever they've renamed it to. Sadly, being San Francisco, they'll probably put him in charge of safety training.

    Now to the incompetent reporting:
    The holes in the picture are not from a .22. They look like they could be from a 9mm or so. The term "Baby Glock" refers to the models 26, which is 9mm. So where did they get 22 from? Well, there is a Glock 22, but it's a 40 caliber, which makes holes about the same size as 9mm, but it's not easily confused with the 26. I recognize that reporters can't be experts on every subject, but two minutes on any internet search site would have told the reporter that things were way off kilter. <sigh>

    And last but not least, how do you miss from pistol sharing distance? Not that I'm anxious to see the other officer shot, but who is this guy, Cyril Figgis?
     
  2. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    More incompetent reporting:
    it was reported as an accidental discharge.
    BS, IT WAS A NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE.
    Nothing about that incident shows accidental!!!
     
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  3. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    No, no, no, Jim! If an official does it, it's an accidental discharge! Hardly worth bothering about!
    If one of us does it, then it's a negligent discharge! Probably a felony!:D
     
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  4. Fast Eddie

    Fast Eddie Vancouver Well-Known Member

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    We need real heroes that stand for truth, justice and the American way.
     
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  5. AndyinEverson

    AndyinEverson Everson, Wa. Well-Known Member

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    I was not there and reading a news report isn't the best way to get all the facts.
    But if someone hands you a gun and says they don't know how to operate it , why would you point it at them?
    Let alone pull the trigger?

    Firearm ID is also very important.
    I get a lot grief when I complain when the wrong term or name of a type of gun is used, but getting the terms or names of firearm types correct is important.
    It can end up being another "wrong fact" put out there to be used.

    I also agree that this was not a accident , but indeed negligence.
    One officer pointed a gun at another.
    This same officer neglected to first check to see if the gun was unloaded and then neglected to ensure muzzle control.

    We are all guilty of making mistakes , I am not saying that I have never mishandled a gun.
    But mistakes with firearms can leave someone dead.
    I am glad that this is not the case in this story.
    If nothing else I hope that this story reinforces the safety practice of always checking to see if the gun is loaded , before you do anything else.
    Andy
     
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  6. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    He could have just looked down the barrel if he wasn't sure if it was loaded or not and saved some time...
     
  7. Vanillagerrilla

    Vanillagerrilla Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    whatever happened to the good ol' " Desk Pop " ?
     
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  8. nammac

    nammac I-5 Corridor - West of Portland Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    So am I the only one that thinks the bullet hole in the storage locker is just a wee bit larger then a .22????

    Or perhaps that's just a miniature locker....
     
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  9. DeanfromOregon

    DeanfromOregon Wilsonville Amateur Ascended Master Platinum Supporter

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    Don't be so harsh, it just went off! Guns are dangerous!
     
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  10. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Good thing he didn't poke someone's eye out!!!:eek:

    Not a .22 hole:s0002:.

    I'm with the 9mm or .40 cal guy.

    image.jpeg
     
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  11. DeanfromOregon

    DeanfromOregon Wilsonville Amateur Ascended Master Platinum Supporter

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    I'm in for a .45 based on the width of the labeling tape.
     
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  12. Sstrand

    Sstrand La Grande OR Well-Known Member

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    Maybe it's a good thing that when seconds count coppers are minutes away!?!?!?!?

    Sheldon
     
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  13. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace Tacoma-ish Well-Known Member

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    A friend of mine who worked at the indoor range at Wade's in Bellevue says some of the most dangerous customers they had were police.

    Poor muzzle discipline, bad marksmanship, generally unsafe handling was commonplace.

    Not all police are careless with their weapons and some can really shoot well. But there's that old saying, "The empty (wooden) barrel makes the most noise". Foghorn leghorn is gonna be the one who blows off someone's toes or puts a round through a locker.
     
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  14. Flopsweat

    Flopsweat Slightly right of center Well-Known Member

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    Some officers think that the minute you put a badge on you're automatically an expert on law, public relations, driving fast and firearms. The rest of them actually work to get good at those things.
     
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  15. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace Tacoma-ish Well-Known Member

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    Yeah. Job hazard so to speak.
     
  16. ogre

    ogre Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    I hear this quite a bit but even I cannot be everywhere all of the time.
     
  17. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace Tacoma-ish Well-Known Member

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    Nice, Ogre. :s0112:
     
  18. oknow

    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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    [QUOTE="Flopsweat, post: 1439628, member: 19284"]Some officers think that the minute you put a badge on you're automatically an expert on law, public relations, driving fast and firearms. The rest of them actually work to get good at those things.[/QUOTE]

    The worst part is that most of the public believe that too.
     
  19. Hrethgir

    Hrethgir Beaverton, OR Active Member

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    "The round missed the her,"

    I'm glad the her didn't get hit....

    And why is nobody losing a job over this? The one brought a gun into the Hall of Justice that shouldn't have been there, and the other was unsafe with it and accidentally fired it twice (???), yet they both still have their jobs are are just getting a wrist slap and firearms training. If one of us had had an ND in the Hall of Justice before even getting to the security checkpoint, how long of a jail term would we be looking at?