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[The Heretic]

The rising threat of ‘gun sanctuaries’ - The Boston Globe

A few New England towns have joined the misguided Second Amendment sanctuary movement. It’s dangerous.

www.bostonglobe.com

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[MasterChief]

 

[CamoDeafie]

"The rising threat of liberty"

Fixed that for accuracy

"It is illegal to make and sell unregistered firearms and their accessories under federal law,"

Um the authors are clearly showing their ignorance. only certain firearms and accessories are under the purview of the Federal NFA1934 and GCA1968/FOPA1986 laws.


If the firearms and accessories made are not machine guns, short barreled rifles/shotguns, AOWs, or suppressors; then they do not need be registered

However.. if the maker is making and selling firearms for business; then the maker is required to have a FFL type manufacturer license

 

[awshoot]

The article's conclusion is one sided (surprise!). It makes the point that sanctuary laws can cause confusion, as happened with that poor sap in Kansas who thought Kansas' sanctuary law protected him from the NFA when he bought a Kansas made silencer. (*) So the danger is that the 2A Sanctuary movement could cause confusion and some people might get charged with crimes as a result. Contrast that with the danger of illegal immigration sanctuaries and the murders that has led to when criminals have been hidden from ICE and released. Nowhere is that much more serious harm discussed in the article.

(*) I don't know if an appeal has been filed but the NFA, being a Federal law, should only apply to items involved in interstate commerce. If the Kansas dudes could show that the silencer was not involved in interstate commerce at all, they should get off. Of course, the Feds will argue the metal used as base material was involved in interstate commerce but that makes literally everything involved in such commerce.

 

[CamoDeafie]

I don't know if an appeal has been filed but the NFA, being a Federal law, should only apply to items involved in interstate commerce. If the Kansas dudes could show that the silencer was not involved in interstate commerce at all, they should get off. Of course, the Feds will argue the metal used as base material was involved in interstate commerce but that makes literally everything involved in such commerce

Montana Firearms Freedom Act 2008 got struck down by Ninth District Court
From the wikipedia page;

In a decision[14] issued on August 23, 2013, the Ninth Circuit ruled that the U.S. District Court erred in concluding that the Plaintiff's lacked standing but, after considering the merits of the case, affirmed the dismissal of the action for failure to state a claim. Relying on the United States Supreme Court's decision in Gonzales v. Raich, 545 U.S. 1 (2005), and the court's own precedent in United States v. Stewart, 451 F.3d 1071 (9th Cir. 2006), the Ninth Circuit panel unanimously ruled that Congress could regulate the internal manufacture of firearms within Montana because the creation and circulation of such firearms could reasonably be expected to impact the market for firearms nationally. A majority of the panel, over the dissent of Judge Bea, went further to hold that the Montana Firearms Freedom Act was preempted by the federal licensing law. Two petitions for a writ of certiorari sought to bring the matter before the United States Supreme Court, but the writ was denied in both instances.[15][16]

*emphasis added by me

 

[awshoot]

Montana Firearms Freedom Act 2008 got struck down by Ninth District Court
From the wikipedia page;

*emphasis added by me

Thank you for that. What a lame decision though -- that buying local affects interstate commerce is some pretty insane stretching.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Thank you for that. What a lame decision though -- that buying local affects interstate commerce is some pretty insane stretching.

Agreed it is lame; but they have precedents and SCOTUS decision backing them

 

[Mathias]

The rising threat of ‘gun sanctuaries’ - The Boston Globe

A few New England towns have joined the misguided Second Amendment sanctuary movement. It’s dangerous.

www.bostonglobe.com

Says the leftwing rag of ignorance.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Story from The Boston Globe..
Boston is in the state of Massachusetts....also home to Lexington and Concord...
Where on the 19th of April our Revolution began...The irony here is strong...and unfortunately missed...
Andy

 

[Stomper]

Story from The Boston Globe..
Boston is in the state of Massachusetts....also home to Lexington and Concord...
Where on the 19th of April our Revolution began...The irony here is strong...and unfortunately missed...
Andy

I have noticed that anywhere something awesome first happened in human history, that location is quickly made into a wasteland (of one form or another).

It's as if there's an evil presence working overtime to overturn, eradicate and substitute some sort of twisted counterfeit.

 

[Ura-Ki]

What I find disturbing, the State has preemption under the 10th amendment, YET the feds still act against the state!

http://www.kslegislature.org/li_2014/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2199_00_0000.pdf

This cuts both ways and COULD be used in any future pro gun legislation as well as AGAINST un constitutional gun laws in the works or on the books!

 

[CamoDeafie]

What I find disturbing, the State has preemption under the 10th amendment, YET the feds still act against the state!

http://www.kslegislature.org/li_2014/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2199_00_0000.pdf

This cuts both ways and COULD be used in any future pro gun legislation as well as AGAINST un constitutional gun laws in the works or on the books!

Federal Supremacy clause

On one hand, awful when the Feds use it against States pro 2A laws... on the other, may be awesome if the Feds use it against States Anti-2A laws

 

[Ura-Ki]

Federal Supremacy clause

On one hand, awful when the Feds use it against States pro 2A laws... on the other, may be awesome if the Feds use it against States Anti-2A laws

Zacklies!
One can use it ether way if there is enough support for it!
Imagine if Some one like, say, POTUS were to apply this against the states and sanctuary status, or states wishing to do away with Preemption, or states wanting to infringe on natural rights, seems like an awfully powerful tool, very surprised to find it's not being used! I would expect to see A.G. Barr and Trump going this route in the future! One can certainly hope anyway!

 

[WoodsPlinker]

Dangerous sweet sweet liberty.

 

[Overwatch]

Have you seen the Mississippi Southern States Compact draft legislation. Its impressive.

We need to rally up the Pro 2A counties here in Wa to get moving on a Constitutional Counties Compact.

 

[bbbass]

Have you seen the Mississippi Southern States Compact draft legislation. Its impressive.

We need to rally up the Pro 2A counties here in Wa to get moving on a Constitutional Counties Compact.

There was a member quoting the U.S. Constitution yesterday, saying that Congress has to approve all state Compacts. The situation with Electoral Voting came up. I wonder how Congress would respond to this???

 

[nwslopoke]

Who said unbiased journalism is dead? Not this guy. What an insightful read.