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The REAL unemployment rate...

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Blitzkrieg, Apr 9, 2012.

  1. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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  2. ATCclears

    ATCclears Seattle area, WA Well-Known Member

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    I'd take it one step further. Look at the U-6 rate.

    Peter
     
  3. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    You know what they say about statistics. The media should be asking tough questions about things like this instead of just regurgitating dishonest data, but that ain't gonna happen.
     
  4. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    This began way back in the Reagan era.. the inflation rate is a similar bogus figure, and now they are not even reporting how much money the 'fed" prints (M3 data)

    It's all a huge Matrix and we are the suckers
     
  5. JGRuby

    JGRuby Portland Oregon New Member

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    I would argue that none of the unemployment rates have been accurate since this is the way it has always been counted, changing the rules mid election year is at best playing dirty . Also in my opinion if you quit looking for work - you really dont want to work too bad anyways. The permanently unemployed is one of the major problems in this country - they are are a pariah on our society.

    James Ruby
     
  6. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    I know a lot of underemployed who are very talented people,.. including the guy I see in the mirror when I shave. I have a computer science degree, was an R & D technician until the H1B visa Indians and Asians flooded in and took the good jobs for lower pay, and I am a master tile setter and was a contractor until the illegal aliens and green carders flooded in and work for a small fraction of what I am worth
     
  7. FarmerTed1971

    FarmerTed1971 Portland, Oregon, United States Well-Known Member

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    I'd say 20% is realistic for sure.
     
  8. JGRuby

    JGRuby Portland Oregon New Member

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    Dinosaurs either change or they become extinct. If I have to I will pump gas but I will make it. People dont realize that they are only worth what someone will pay them for thier efforts. There were alot of millionaires made during the great depersssion, there were also a lot of people that could not make it. I find that most people that dont or arent working arent willing to do what it takes to get a job. That means moving if necessary to another part of the country or starting a new carreer. I find my self possibly looking at the later if my job ever ends. I know that if I go to another company my pay will be less than I make now. Do I look forward to that no - will I do that, yes, if I have to. I do backup and recovery and see alot of jobs on the east coast - I do not want to move thier but I want to eat worse.
    Fortunately right now I dont have to make that choice.

    James Ruby
     
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    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    This ignores the reality that the entire situation is artificial and forced on us by nefarious forces, with specific intent to profit by our dispossession
     
  10. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    Please!! Explain the artificial situation and nefarious forces, Blitz! Or were you just pulling our collective legs and, I'm not awake yet?
     
  11. JGRuby

    JGRuby Portland Oregon New Member

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    I will accept that my position ignores facts - at least temporarily - what evidence do you have that others are intentionally trying to profit from your dispossession?

    James Ruby
     
  12. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    That's an easy slam dunk!

    Once more for the slow learners,...
    This all boils down to the press, and their efforts to protect the president that they made. I have seen so little honest reporting in the last three years, that I am regularly sickened by daily/nightly/Sunday news programming.

    Recently, when March's employment numbers came out, the liberal MSM reported 120,000 jobs had been added. While they may have admitted that this was "dissappointing," they went on to parrot the admin's claims of a drop in the unemployment rate to 8.2%.
    In reality, the real driver of the drop was the FACT that 165,000 MORE had dropped off the unemployment rolls from being out of benefits. But few if any in the MSM even hinted at this.

    The other problem the MSM has with reality is that they are telling us that when you have no more UE benefits, you are no longer looking for work. That is just pure unadulterated BS. Even though I am only employed part time, and receive no UE benefits, I am STILL looking for full time work, that provides something close to my previous income level.
    However, this hogwash obviously works on some, as they have parroted it here.

    NFP Big Miss: 120K, Expectations 205K, Unemployment 8.2%, "Not In Labor Force" At New All Time High | ZeroHedge

    There are nearly 90 MILLION Americans out of work or "underemployed." I happen to be one of them. Employers are scared, and hedging their bets, not knowing whether the next NLRB regulation will cost them another $2.00/hr per employee, or the next EPA regulation will spell doom for their profits, or that when obamacare kicks in fully, that they will be unable to afford their best employees.

    This president owns this lousy economy and even liberal champions like Maxine Waters know it. But the MSM won't even listen to her when she mentions the unemployment rate among black women, which is reported to be around 50%.
    But to know that, one has to seek the info out on the 'net, because the MSM damn sure won't tell you.

    This economy sucks. This "recovery" is non-existent, except for those cronies this admin supports. They would no doubt still be using the term "jobless recovery" if the online conservative movement hadn't mocked it extensively, exposing it for it's true meaning.

    And as for your "Dinosaurs either change or they become extinct" comment JGR, that is disingenuous at best, and at worst is parroting this admin's malicious lies.
    The "dinosaurs" you speak of are among the most highly qualified people in their (respective) industries.
    The problem is, in this era of uncertain tax and insurance futures, and tight, competitive profits, employers are less willing to gamble on the high end employee, and working longer hours them selves to cover the difference.

    Here's a quick glance at our current economic/employment conditions, with respect to the post-1960 era. Please note that the obama admin has created conditions NEVER seen before in the modern era.
    Yet the press tells you little or none of it.
    EmployPopJan2012.jpg
     
  13. JGRuby

    JGRuby Portland Oregon New Member

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    SInce for some reason I cant get to the advanced editing functioning right now for some reason - I will use this as a quote
    And as for your "Dinosaurs either change or they become extinct" comment JGR, that is disingenuous at best, and at worst is parroting this admin's malicious lies.
    The "dinosaurs" you speak of are among the most highly qualified people in their (respective) industries.
    The problem is, in this era of uncertain tax and insurance futures, and tight, competitive profits, employers are less willing to gamble on the high end employee, and working longer hours them selves to cover the difference.


    I feel that if you want a job it is out there - you may not be getting paid what you did before , you may not even being doing the same work as before but there is work out there - my nephew just went to work in the oil fields as a laborer. He had to move from Northern california to Eastern Utah. The problem as I see it is that everyone thinks that they have to be making as much or more than they did before. Things change , times change and life has difficulties. If you want to make more money learn a more disrable skill. The smarter you are , the more proffessional you look and the hungrier you are to go back to work makes a difference - but many poeple will stay home and collect unemployment than get a job because it is easier. What you say about employers is true. "Do more with less" . I agree to your position but even in bad times my company is hiring knowledgable IT staff ( health insurance ). The problem we have is we arent finding people with the skills sets we need. So where are all the expets out there?

    James Ruby
     
  14. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Like I said. This president owns this economy. Including ALL of the crappy parts of it you mention.
    Now, if only I were in my 20s or 30s again so I could go become a laborer in the oil fields,...
    Are you for real JG?
    You really believe that my 30 years of experience in my chosen field is bad? Oh I have accepted a lesser job, that pays less money. Because I HAD TO. Because at least a half dozen prospective employers have told me they'd love to have me, but in today's crappy economy they either can't afford me, or if they pay me less than they know I'm worth, that I'll go elsewhere for more money, because they are UNSURE about the future viability of the industry as a whole.

    Ahhh yes the elitist answer.
    Thanks for pointing out so eloquently your reasons for repeatedly supporting this president and his crapola policies JG.
    Your very livelihood obviously depends on us accepting his socialist ways.
     
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    JGRuby Portland Oregon New Member

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    So what if you have thirty years in a field if there are no open positions. You are a comodity , a resource to an employer and if you are not worth to the business what you are asking then why as a business would I hire you. You had to take a lesser paying job because that is what someone was willing to pay for your services. Right or wrong. Times are changing and the work the force is changing and I dont think electing a Republican president is going to change much. Like I indicated, people either change or they go by the wayside. Do I like the fact that I have worked in IT 32 years and have at least another 20 years before I can possibly look at retirement and in honesty it means very little if I cant convince someone that they need my services. I fully expect that what I state I will probably have to do myself someday. It is my opinion that the only true security one has is between thier ears and the guts to know that you can make it regardless of what is thrown at you. I refuse to blame others for my problems because it does nothing to move me forward.

    James Ruby
     
  16. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Hey smart guy, there are "no open positions" at my former wage because the economy is in the tank.
    Because no employee-commodity is the sure bet they used to be, because the employers only have the minimum capital to invest in any "commodity," and they can't afford the bigger investments.
    Because profits are down. Because people have far less money to spend.
    Because there are nearly 90 MILLION people that are like me, that this president's policies have adversely affected!
    There are no "open positions" at my former income level because employers are uncertain about the future cost of overhead.
    Because YOUR president is currently, and has for the last 3 years, been pimp-ing for for the 1% he loves to decry, and signing up the 99%'ers for food stamps, and wants to tax employers more to pay for it.

    I love it when you lefties pronounce to all that will listen, that "elections have consequences" because your favorite fringe-element policies are being enacted.
    But when the real "consequences" of an election turn into a crap economy, with an uncertain future, "well, that's just how things are, and you are blaming others for your lot in life".

    BullSh!t JGR, the rising tide lifts all boats. And the tide you and the MSM elected last time has resulted in an outgoing tide that won't change course until the political winds blow in the opposite direction of this president, and his socialist policies.
    Unless of course this admin knocks a hole in the bottom of all the boats before he leaves office.

    In the graph I posted above, the economic/employment records of the last 10 presidents are depicted. As it clearly shows, with the exception of Jimmy Carter, ALL of them did more for the American people and our workforce than this president has.
    One inherited a worse employment situation than obama did, and did far more with it, in two years, than obama has "accomplished" in three years.

    Re-electing this president would be the very definition of insanity.
    More of the same won't get us where we need to go.
     
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    I disagree - the reason we got a decomratic president is that everyone was sick of GW and reason we will have Obama another four years is because you dont have a decent republican candidate, by the way I would vote for a republican, I was looking very strong at Ron Paul - the best canddite you got is Romney, a anti 2nd amendment candidate. Why do you think no one wants GW to be a part of their ongoing dog and pony shows. So in fact the democrats will win again because you republicans dont have a decent enough candidate even with Obama being as bad as he is. The republicans will lose based on thier own lack of merit.

    As far as employers not wanting to pay a wage we are use to - I suspect that regardless of what happens there will be very little reason for any company to go back to the high wages again for some time. I believe and appreciatte your graphs though I have not verified them I suspect they come from conservative group, so they are biased in thier own ways but for gp lets assume that they are at least 90% corrrect. Lets assume that everything you have stated is true - what are you going to do about it. I do not like having a economy in decline - I suspect that very few are in favor of it. My food is more exspensive every time I go to the store, my gasoline is more exspensive. My utilities are more exspensive. I do not know one thing that is cheaper. I have one failed business my wife and I are working our way out from under and though I dont feel that it was 100% the economy - the lack of spendable income others had helped to dig the hole. I take 100% ownership of that mistake.

    I can go cry in my beer or I can accept things as they are and move forward. Given the choices that I see on the republican ticket or Obama either way we will lose. I respect Romney more than I do the other republican candidates but I do not feel that he is any better than Obama. So we pick up and continue down the road trying to make the country better or we simply set down and die. I accept where we are and will continue forward. I will most certianly not blame someone else for my problems in life.

    James Ruby
     
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    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Is there ANY chance you will recognize the correlation between obama's policies and what you have stated above?

    Or have you just displayed the proof of my assertion that voting for obama is the very definition of insanity?
    I believe you have!

    How can any Republican NOT be better?

    Or, is it the FACT that you work in the health-care insurance industry,...
    So if obamacare passes SCOTUS muster, "the chosen one" will grant you job security at the expense of yet MORE taxpayers.

    That's it! Vote for more obama-bucks! :rolleyes:
     
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