The Real Cause of Violence with Guns

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In the late 1960's we dismantled our state mental health treatment systems due to concerns about patient rights and the cost of running them. Instead we relied on "community based" treatment, which usually meant returning dangerously crazy people to their families with prescriptions for psychotropic drugs. Here's the result...

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The Real Cause of Violence with Guns...

The majority of gun violence comes from people who are mean, ruthless and selfish. There are some crazy people for sure, but the majority of the violence comes from bad guys not crazy guys.

All the mental health laws in the world will never stop the bad guys from doing bad things. Our freedoms to protect ourselves will help stop them. The laws that are already on the books will help stop them if they are strictly enforced.
 
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The Real Cause of Violence with Guns...

The majority of gun violence comes from people who are mean, ruthless and selfish. There are some crazy people for sure, but the majority of the violence comes from bad guys not crazy guys.

All the mental health laws in the world will never stop the bad guys from doing bad things. Our freedoms to protect ourselves will help stop them. The laws that are already on the books will help stop them if they are strictly enforced.
The gun violence that is fueling the present political situation is the direct result of the failure of our mental health systems. The vast majority of all other gun deaths are suicides (also a mental health issue), police shootings, justifiable self-defense, voluntary participation (gang bangers), and accidents.
 
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In the late 1960's we dismantled our state mental health treatment systems due to concerns about patient rights and the cost of running them. Instead we relied on "community based" treatment, which usually meant returning dangerously crazy people to their families with prescriptions for psychotropic drugs. Here's the result...

[video]http://www.zzzeke.com/sourceofgunviolence.mp4[/video]
So, that is the line they are feeding for closing the MHF's now? Hum...Want to know what the real reason was? There was this guy, forgot his name, but it should be easy to find...Anyway, he got a bunch of federal money (7 Figures) to conduct a study of mental health treatment, and to research the "outpatient" idea. Well, like a lot of bad science these days, this guy got the "Q" that what was wanted was justification for closing a lot of MHF and the politicos needed a "study" to back them up saying that "outpatient" treatment was better than the present (at the time) system of MHF. (Oh, why do I know about this? My sister was a microbiologist at Western State Hospital in Sedro-Woolley, WA at the time)

Anyway, he who pays teh piper, gets to call the results of the "research". Yep, the guy wrote up what they wanted, and never left his office...all his research was made up. Proof, he got to spend some time in the Federal Pen for fraud for this "research".

However, His "research" wasa exactly what the states wanted as an excuse to save the state's money by closing all of those MHFs. Debunked, or not, the states acted on the "research" because it was what they wanted...
 
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In the late 1960's we dismantled our state mental health treatment systems due to concerns about patient rights and the cost of running them. Instead we relied on "community based" treatment, which usually meant returning dangerously crazy people to their families with prescriptions for psychotropic drugs. Here's the result...

[video]http://www.zzzeke.com/sourceofgunviolence.mp4[/video]
So, that is the line they are feeding for closing the MHF's now? Hum...Want to know what the real reason was? There was this guy, forgot his name, but it should be easy to find...Anyway, he got a bunch of federal money (7 Figures) to conduct a study of mental health treatment, and to research the "outpatient" idea. Well, like a lot of bad science these days, this guy got the "Q" that what was wanted was justification for closing a lot of MHF and the politicos needed a "study" to back them up saying that "outpatient" treatment was better than the present (at the time) system of MHF. (Oh, why do I know about this? My sister was a microbiologist at Western State Hospital in Sedro-Woolley, WA at the time)

Anyway, he who pays teh piper, gets to call the results of the "research". Yep, the guy wrote up what they wanted, and never left his office...all his research was made up. Proof, he got to spend some time in the Federal Pen for fraud for this "research".

However, His "research" wasa exactly what the states wanted as an excuse to save the state's money by closing all of those MHFs. Debunked, or not, the states acted on the "research" because it was what they wanted...
 
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So, that is the line they are feeding for closing the MHF's now? Hum...Want to know what the real reason was? There was this guy, forgot his name, but it should be easy to find...Anyway, he got a bunch of federal money (7 Figures) to conduct a study of mental health treatment, and to research the "outpatient" idea. Well, like a lot of bad science these days, this guy got the "Q" that what was wanted was justification for closing a lot of MHF and the politicos needed a "study" to back them up saying that "outpatient" treatment was better than the present (at the time) system of MHF. (Oh, why do I know about this? My sister was a microbiologist at Western State Hospital in Sedro-Woolley, WA at the time)

Anyway, he who pays teh piper, gets to call the results of the "research". Yep, the guy wrote up what they wanted, and never left his office...all his research was made up. Proof, he got to spend some time in the Federal Pen for fraud for this "research".

However, His "research" wasa exactly what the states wanted as an excuse to save the state's money by closing all of those MHFs. Debunked, or not, the states acted on the "research" because it was what they wanted...
The Right wanted to close the mental hospitals because they figured they could trim budgets that way. The Left played right into it (as usual) by advocating for "patients' rights" and trumpeting real and imagined abuses in those hospitals. What we end up with is dangerous people roaming the streets.
 
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While this is a problem, the main violence problem today is prohibition (read "the war on drugs") If the market was able to respond to the demand for MJ or anything else, the price would fall, and the gangs source of incxome would disappear. The reason the gangs are such a problem is exactly the same as when the 18th amendment was passed...illegal booze became very valuable, and instead of the state taking in income from taxes, teh state was spending money chasing 2 bit crooks, that were becoming very wealthy selling rot gut at premium prices. The war on drugs has done exactly the same thing...people that do not care what the law is are making a lot of money peddling cheap goods at very high prices...It is this huge profit margin that fuels the gangs, and the gang wars.

The war on drugs has another benifit for the people who would control everything you do, and tax it if possible...(the politicos) It creats an "enemy" that deflects critisism from them as they squeeze your freedoms until you have no freedom. To those that don't understand economic theory, inflation is a tax on everyone that weighs heavier on savers than spenders...unfortunately, savers are the ones that fund economic activity....if you want to see the "perfect" example of what happens when you spend more than you bring in, for an extended period of time...study Germany in the 1920's.
 

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