National The people behind the recent 9th Cir/Hawaii carry case

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  1. awshoot

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    This guy is a passionate American. It's a shame that the NRA won't support him because they are working on other cases there at the moment. Well, his case seems to be the one to get behind as it will likely be going to the SC. Kudos to his attorney for taking this on Pro Bono.
     
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    mhmm. The second you step out your front door, you lose your rights. Makes perfect sense! :rolleyes:

    Good man. Here's hoping they take it to SCOTUS and win.
     
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    Heller was a big win, but as we all know, didn't go far enough and left a lot open to interpretation. Because it was discussing the DC handgun ban specifically, some of the wording makes it easy for anti-gun states (like HI) to enforce draconian gun laws, such as the one referenced. See below:

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

    It's easy to see why HI thinks that the Heller decision lets them pretty much ban carrying of firearms in public. Hell, McDonald didn't really help against this either..........

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1521.pdf

    Then they refused to hear Peruta and by doing so, let stand this and every other restriction on carrying in public. Their (those referenced in the OP) only hope is that this makes it to SCOTUS and enough of them have the stones to hear this.


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    I could see how the anti-freedom crew could rest on that wording. Here's hoping the new members of the court interpret the 2A for greater freedom.
     
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    Hawaii will request a En Banc hearing before the full 9th circuit. The judges for this will be hand picked and the earlier decision will be overturned.
     
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    Then off to the US Supreme Court. Brett Kavanaugh Sept 4. Done.
     
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    Yep -- make the states choose, concealed or open, but not neither.
     
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    Or maybe not, because they KNOW it’ll get kicked up to SCOTUS, and when Kavanaugh is confirmed and installed... game over.
     
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    Kavanaugh replaced Kennedy. Was he the deciding vote to reject all the recent 2A cases?
     
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    There is no thinking involved in the laws here. For example, if you apply to get a license to do tattoos you have to get tested for syphilis. No, not hepatitis, HIV, herpes or hepatitis C, just syphilis.

    Now from a physician point of view this is is beyond stupid. (syphilis is spread through touching a genital sore so it seems to state is only concerned about tattoo artists regularly touching their clients with their genitals.)

    See why I might question the intelligence of our lawmakers?

    So Hanlon's razor applies here "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

    They are passing laws based on emotions, commands from their masters and one of the worst education systems in the country.

    I cant vote them out either, for the recent primaries, every single candidate in my area (except governor options) were rated "F" by the Hawaii Rifle Association. Vote for your choice of turds.
     
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    He hasn't replaced him yet, his confirmation begins Sept. 4
     
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    OK, but was Kennedy the deciding vote to reject all the recent 2A cases? If not, then nothing would be expected to change 'if' Kavanaugh is confirmed?
     
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    And if only one option is given, then the state cannot impose an extortion fee for exercising your constitutional right.



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    “if you apply to get a license to do tattoos you have to get tested for syphilis. No, not hepatitis, HIV, herpes or hepatitis C, just syphilis.”

    So that’s how you tattoo someone... I always wondered.
     
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    We think he was. I am not sure it’s public.

    The swing vote is going to move to Roberts and he’s more reliable than Kennedy. We’ll see how it works out of course. Nothing is sure without one more vote.
     
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    I'm not sure I would have taken the case either - HI resident and the 9th circuit - most rational folks would have called that a loss from the start. Maybe not a good use of resources. Still, I'm really glad this guy has stuck with it and found an attorney that can make it happen. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point the NRA does jump in, especially if there is a chance for this to go to SCOTUS. And the timing couldn't be better, with Kavanaugh coming, sounds like he's pretty solid on the 2nd. We could certainly use a more broad interpretation in our favor. Maybe this case will be it.
     
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    I suspect Heller got watered-down for both Kennedy AND Roberts. Barry's Little B*tchboy is still the swing vote who decides everything, unless we find whatever blackmail leverage Obozo had and get him impeached or Notorious RBG strokes out or has an aneurysm...
     
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    I personally believe that both Anthony Kennedy and John "penalty is just another way to say tax" Roberts were both no votes on 2A cases.

    We only have 2 reliable justices now: Thomas and Gorsuch: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/16-894_p86b.pdf and I'm not 100% sold on Kavanaugh. We need at a minimum of one more (besides Kavanaugh) to find out where we really stand.



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