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HB 3200 is amazing. If enacted it will suddenly create a huge number of felons because I am certain that very few if any folks will comply. It's amazing that on one day every gun I own was OK to have and the next day they make me a felon.

What is the constitutionality of this bill? Would it not be taken to litigation immediately? Would it likely to be found to be violating both the federal and state constitutions?
 
Already got a response from House Representative Val Hoyle. Here is what she sent me.

Dear Mr. xxxxxxx,

Thank you for your email and also for your service.

I have no intention of supporting HB3200. We will keep your email on file and let you know if we hear anything about this bill progressing in the House.

I really appreciate your volunteer hours at xxxxxxxxx. Both of my children went to that school and we have many great memories of those years.

Don't hesitate to contact my office in the future if I can be of assistance.

All the best
Val

Representative Val Hoyle
House Majority Leader
House District 14
West Eugene and Junction City

Here is what I sent her:

Dear State Assemblyman Hoyle,
I am a father of three daughters, a devoted husband of 9 years, a veteran, and a kindergarten volunteer at XXXXXXXXX Elementary. I start off this letter like this because, among many other things, I am also a legal gun owner and CHL carrier. Should HB3200 pass I would be one more thing. A victim. A victim of a poorly written law that will punish me, the law abiding, tax paying, registered voter and do nothing to punish people who wish to do evil in the world.
Nothing in HB3200 addresses harsher punishments for crimes in which a firearm is used. HB3200 will do nothing to reduce the number of violent criminals on our streets, but instead create criminals out of law abiding citizens who simply wish to own more then 1 semi-automatic firearm. By the definition presented in HB3200 many rifles would become illegal simply because of cosmetic differences that do nothing to make them more deadly. An example would be the Ruger mini-14 Tactical, this is semi-automatic and has a shrouded barrel that can accept various different grips. However the Ruger mini-14 Rancher is the exact same firearm, but without a shrouded barrel. They are both just as deadly in the hands of evil people. There are many examples in regards to semi-automatic handguns and how HB3200 poorly identifies what is "high capacity." A Springfield Armory XDM Compact .40 caliber handgun comes standard from the factory with an 11 round magazine. This is a compact model handgun, yet it would still require registration as it's standard magazine holds more then 10 rounds. I could go on and pick apart all the major flaws in HB3200, but I'm sure you understand the point I'm trying to make.
HB3200 is terribly written in that it directly attacks legal gun owners while not addressing the real issue of violence in our state, lack of effective punishment for real criminals and access to mental health. In a time when certain groups are calling for "reasonable gun control", bills like this only taint the water and push both sides of control farther apart. Please vote NO on HB3200 and urge your fellow Representatives to do the same. Don't make me a victim of poor policies while doing nothing to punish evil people that mean to cause harm and don't (already) obey the laws on the books. Thank you for your time.


Sincerely,


XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX, HM3 USN Veteran
 
From the state of West Virginia (unfortunately an Appalachian Democratic stronghold) I bid each of you to contact your Oregon State Representatives who may listen to reason on this bill. Encourage them to not only vote vehemently against this bill, but to voice their support vigorously in support of the right of all citizens to keep and bear arms. As states like New York, California, Illinois, and now Oregon seek to severely curtail the natural rights of their citizens, it only gives ideas to politicians in other states that they too can strip the power of self governance from the people.

The Second Amendment of the US Constitution is the bulwark to protect the rights of all citizens against government tyranny. Oregon HB 3200 is nothing less than a full out assault on the Second and the Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution. I realize that Oregon has unfortunately been a victim of California flight for the last two decades, and with their failed California political policies these transplants are trying to recreate Oregon in California's failed image. I bid each and every one of you to stand up against this attempt at tyranny first by respectfully and politely contacting your Oregon representatives at the local, state, and national levels to voice your opinion regarding Oregon HB 3200.

Only by standing strong in your opposition can you prevent this slide from impacting other states with greedy legislators also seeking to remove the people as the source of power for the government. Second I recommend peaceful rallies of firearms owners on a frequent basis both locally and at your state capitol in Salem. Much like my state of West Virginia your state has been blessed by gorgeous vistas of inspiring nature. Don't let these potential tyrants steal your state from you and drive you away. Voice your objections, and know that we support you in your struggle even here in the East.

I hope this helps.
 
Please consider that this bill is not JUST about the 2nd Amendment but, also the 4th, 14th, and basic civil rights. This kind of legislation is the reason we started the revolution against England. It is inviting the government to be allowed to circumvent our justice system and basically do whatever they would like. This bill should be rejected not only on it's second amendment issues but, by ALL Oregonians about basic civil rights and the over reach of government and law enforcement power. I encourage all Oregonians to push this past a "gun issue" and point out that it blatantly allows the state police to enter and search homes under the guise of a "safety inspection".
 
Where does HB 3200 go next?
I don't believe them if they say it's 'dead' and won't move.

Here's what I found on the Legislative website:
-First reading. Referred to Speaker's desk.
-Speakers Desk - Awaiting Referral

Will it go to the House Committee On Judiciary?
There's nothing on their calendar at this time.
How fast (like New York) can they push it through without citizen comments?

Here are the Committee members:
Chair Representative Jeff Barker / D-Aloha
Vice-Chair Representative Chris Garrett / D-Lake Oswego
Vice-Chair Representative Wayne Krieger / R-Gold Beach
Member Representative Andy Olson / R-Albany
Member Representative Carolyn Tomei / D-Milwaukie
Member Representative Jennifer Williamson / D-Portland
Member Representative Wally Hicks / R-Grants Pass
Member Representative Brent Barton / D-Clackamas County
Member Representative Kevin Cameron / R-Salem

Let them know what you think of this idiotic / unconstitutional Bill.
 
HB 3200 may be similiar to New York State's recent "SAFE ACT" which has caused so much turbullance. The NY State
Rife and Pistol Association has a GREAT LOG on this act and the ongong events in NY State. The NY State
Sheriffs Association has issued a letter and arguement against some of teh acts provisions.
 
Where does HB 3200 go next?
I don't believe them if they say it's 'dead' and won't move.

Here's what I found on the Legislative website:
-First reading. Referred to Speaker's desk.
-Speakers Desk - Awaiting Referral

Will it go to the House Committee On Judiciary?
There's nothing on their calendar at this time.
How fast (like New York) can they push it through without citizen comments?

Here are the Committee members:
Chair Representative Jeff Barker / D-Aloha
Vice-Chair Representative Chris Garrett / D-Lake Oswego
Vice-Chair Representative Wayne Krieger / R-Gold Beach
Member Representative Andy Olson / R-Albany
Member Representative Carolyn Tomei / D-Milwaukie
Member Representative Jennifer Williamson / D-Portland
Member Representative Wally Hicks / R-Grants Pass
Member Representative Brent Barton / D-Clackamas County
Member Representative Kevin Cameron / R-Salem

Let them know what you think of this idiotic / unconstitutional Bill.

I'm reasonably certain Jeff Barker will kill it. He's staunchly pro-gun.

Don't let your guard down though :sword:
 
I would suggest holding the line is no longer enough as it leads to slow erosions. Time to start talking to your representatives at the national level and demanding they remove the 1986 ban on private ownership of new fully automatic weapons. Let the liberals fight for "reasonable restrictions" on ground favorable to gun rights for a change.
 
I sent this to Mitch Greenlick this morning:

Just so you know, I plan to use my Oregon political contribution tax credit to donate $100 to anyone who runs against you in the next primary election. I'm also going to ask several thousand of my friends on various firearms forums to do the same. Your ridiculous, draconian proposal regarding firearms ownership is a threat to every citizen who owns firearms for protection and other lawful purposes. Your proposal is clearly unconstitutional at both the state and local levels, but that doesn't bother you or your friends. When it comes to firearms, you and your friends are irrational and ignorant of the facts. You need to be removed from office. I don't vote in your district, but I can certainly send money to your opponents.
 
Actually, Hipsters love to shoot guns.

Maybe we've been hanging out with different hipsters. I'm certain there are exceptions, but all the ones I've ever run into (hey, I'm in my late twenties, I'm single, and I live in Portland - it happens) and got into talking politics with were pretty stereotypical liberal Democrats with the occasional out-and-out Socialist for fun.

State Authoritarianism for everyone!
 
Where does HB 3200 go next?
I don't believe them if they say it's 'dead' and won't move.

Here's what I found on the Legislative website:
-First reading. Referred to Speaker's desk.
-Speakers Desk - Awaiting Referral

Will it go to the House Committee On Judiciary?
There's nothing on their calendar at this time.
How fast (like New York) can they push it through without citizen comments?

Here are the Committee members:
Chair Representative Jeff Barker / D-Aloha
Vice-Chair Representative Chris Garrett / D-Lake Oswego
Vice-Chair Representative Wayne Krieger / R-Gold Beach
Member Representative Andy Olson / R-Albany
Member Representative Carolyn Tomei / D-Milwaukie
Member Representative Jennifer Williamson / D-Portland
Member Representative Wally Hicks / R-Grants Pass
Member Representative Brent Barton / D-Clackamas County
Member Representative Kevin Cameron / R-Salem

Let them know what you think of this idiotic / unconstitutional Bill.

So, apart from a foaming at the mouth "DON'T TAKE OUR GUNS YA GODLESS COMMIES" sort of phone call, for those of us whose state rep isn't in this list, what exactly do we say when contacting these folks?

"Don't pass HB 3200 out of committee?"
 
HB3200 is scaring me. Not because it is a very ill conceived abomination of a law that violates the 2A and the 14th but because people who should know this apparently are showing their ignorance or simply don't care.
 
Anyone showing up to my home for a 'safety inspection' will see how my guns operate with the 'safetys' off. Bam. 'Safety' inspected.

I understand where you're coming from but saying things like this or things like I won't comply could come back to haunt you. Probably better to write unemotional, fact based, eloquent letters to the state reps and senators pointing out just how bad a bill 3200 is.
 
Others have undoubtedly thought this and may have posted this on this thread or elsewhere, but I've got to wonder what the end game for bills of this nature is. Several states other than OR have put forth ban legislation. All are undoubtedly unconstitutional and would not survive a challenge in court and would end up costing the states a lot of money. I can't help but think that at least a few of the more astute ban bill proponents would know this, but they are going forward with it anyway. I am starting to wonder if these bills are just a ploy to get us to 'compromise' for something like universal background checks. We all know that universal background checks will not work without mandatory registration. I'm not liking the conspiracy tinged thoughts stuff like this has me thinking. I for one will not give one more inch of ground on the 2nd.
 
I understand where you're coming from but saying things like this or things like I won't comply could come back to haunt you. Probably better to write unemotional, fact based, eloquent letters to the state reps and senators pointing out just how bad a bill 3200 is.

Bull. I know how government works and you can kiss all the *** you want & they're still gonna look at you with as much of a fine tooth comb as those that at least have some principal & are willing to stand up, fight & even kill for what they know to be right.
 
Others have undoubtedly thought this and may have posted this on this thread or elsewhere, but I've got to wonder what the end game for bills of this nature is. Several states other than OR have put forth ban legislation. All are undoubtedly unconstitutional and would not survive a challenge in court and would end up costing the states a lot of money. I can't help but think that at least a few of the more astute ban bill proponents would know this, but they are going forward with it anyway. I am starting to wonder if these bills are just a ploy to get us to 'compromise' for something like universal background checks. We all know that universal background checks will not work without mandatory registration. I'm not liking the conspiracy tinged thoughts stuff like this has me thinking. I for one will not give one more inch of ground on the 2nd.

They are simply pandering to their constituency. They know it won't pass, but they want to put on a good show so they can brag about it during the next election. They think the majority of people in their districts are with them and that this will be a plus come election time.
 

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