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The NRA Strikes Again

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Teufel_Hunden, May 27, 2011.

  1. Teufel_Hunden

    Teufel_Hunden Albany, Oregon Active Member

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    Again the NRA failed to take sides and this time it had a direct affect on our 2nd ammendment rights.

    Patriot Act: three controversial provisions that Congress voted to keep - CSMonitor.com

    Who's side are they on anyway?

    Notice near the end
    I'm glad I dropped from their membership last year.

    T_H
     
  2. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Like em or hate em they are the most effective pro-2a organization. I like the GOA, SAF, JPFO, and others too (and hope they can get as big as well) but none have the political clout of the NRA.
     
  3. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    I'll guarantee you the NRA knew that amendment was going nowhere before the vote was even taken. Why throw your support to legislation that you know doesn't have a prayer of passing and then hand a perceived victory to the anti's over the NRA when it doesn't? The NRA was smart not to support it.
     
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  4. Teufel_Hunden

    Teufel_Hunden Albany, Oregon Active Member

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    What a wonderful bunch of excuses for them to not do the job they claim to be doing.

    With all due respects I hope you guys are right. But, from my perspective they are ever more wishy washy!

    Maybe they could act like it!

    They are kind of like the Republican party. They've left their base and move ever nearer the center.

    T_H
     
  5. PBinWA

    PBinWA Clark County Well-Known Member

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    The NRA is like the modern Republican party. You support them because they stink less than the alternative pile of bubblegum.

    ;)
     
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  6. Sasquatchvnv

    Sasquatchvnv Port Orchard Active Member

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    Let's say you put yourself in charge of life on the planet. Let's say that one of your goals was the domination of all people on the planet. Let's say that firearms in the hands of peasants stood in the way of the accomplishment of that goal. Let's say that you anticipated the formation of an organization that would protect the rights of the peasants to posess firearms. Let's say that a smart guy might beat the peasants to the punch by creating or taking over such an organization. Let's say that this little exercise might explain a lot of what we see happening as regards the NRA. Do just enough good to remain credible to prevent the formation of a real organization, then fold like a stack of cards at strategic times. The formal term for this tactic is "controlled opposition". A smart guy might... Just sayin'
     
  7. PBinWA

    PBinWA Clark County Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like what happened to that AARP too.
     
  8. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    While the NRA does do well in the political arena, I think that they need to get more involved in the COURT cases and not just by filing amicus briefs.

    Heller v DC was a SAF case, and the NRA didn't want to get involved. McDonald v Chicago was, again, a SAF case that incorporated the 2nd Amendment under the 14th, meaning that what we all believed was the law of the land....

    I don't have much left of my soldier's shilling every month, so what little I have needs to go where it is going to do the most good...right now I believe that that is with the SAF....
     
  9. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    As much as I support the NRA, I really can't disagree with your sentiment. If you have to chose, if you aren't going to support the NRA, supporting SAF is a great alternative.
     
  10. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Reading the 3 provisions, I have to wonder what portion applies to guns and/or American gun ownership?

    Certainly not #3 as that concerns people not of U.S. citizenship. Maybe their own country's version of the NRA should take that one up.

    #2? Hmmm, that one involves terrorism and foreign intelligence and or espionage. Then there's the "approval of a federal judge." The time to take that one on is when it comes before the judge.
    Lobbying money only goes so far, whereas the equivalent $$$ would go a lot farther in legal fees.
    Congress critters/criminals are EXPENSIVE!

    While #1 is disturbing, the requirement of the federal court again speaks to where to spend your $$$. Then there is the "Law-enforcement agencies have been able to use wiretaps for criminal investigations since 1986" aspect. While I disagree with much of The Patriot Act, this will go on with or without TPA.

    I really don't see this as a fight the NRA could, or even should fight. I believe their time, efforts and membership dollars are better spent elsewhere.

    Like defeating chucky schumer, babs boxer, di feinstein et al.
     
  11. elsie

    elsie Way over there on the left Well-Known Member

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    It was an amendment regarding access to gun records that was the issue.


    elsie
     
  12. 22many

    22many PNW Well-Known Member

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    I believe that if you analyze something long enough you can find problems with it. I don't usually agree with what the NRA does but I'm ok with any group that supports my 2nd amendment rights.
     
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    RB87 Oregon Active Member

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  14. Pandaz3

    Pandaz3 Cornelius, Oregon NRA Lifetime Member Platinum Supporter Gold Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I seem to recall a Bible passage about a guy who would deny Jesus three times before the Cock crowed or something like that. This seems to be a similar denial, no rationalization needed. Pick their battles ?....everytime seems right to me.
     
  15. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    Oh, please. We're comparing this to denying Jesus' trials on the cross? :nuts:
     
  16. madcratebuilder

    madcratebuilder Ardenwald, OR Well-Known Member

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    The access to gun records sure gets a lot of folks stirred up. Personally I don't get it, as a FFL holder I have to keep records of everything that i buy and sell, BATF&E can look at these anytime they desire. As long as I keep my records correct I get no grief from them. I think they can get more ownership info just monitoring gun forums;)
     
  17. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    The NRA CAREFULLY selects the cases it supports. In fact the reason the Heller case didn't get their support was because it wasn't narrow enough, but once they saw it was going before SCOTUS they threw their whole weight behind it. The latest 1st Freedom explains their stance and gives examples of cases that have gone against the 2nd Amendment just because the attorney wasn't versed in how to defend his client.

    Borrow a copy and read it!!

    8 US Presidents have been NRA members. They are: Ulysses S. Grant,
    Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, Dwight D. Eisenhower,
    John F. Kennedy, Richard M. Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George Bush.

    80 MILLION law abiding gun owners didn't shoot anyone today, a few criminals did!!

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    The "Feedback Score" is low by 4, not everyone posts it I guess.

    Deen
    NRA Benefactor/Recruiter
    Washington Arms Collector member
    Arms Collectors of South West Washington member
     
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  18. Teufel_Hunden

    Teufel_Hunden Albany, Oregon Active Member

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    Well the debate is interesting those coming out feeling like myself that the NRA is watered down and part of the political machine rather than actually fighting for 2A rights period and others that support them and follow right over the cliff.

    For me I like the OFF approach. Gun rights, "No Comprimise".

    I'm more likely to spend my money with groups who aren't talking out both sides of their mouth!

    T_H
     
  19. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Well, to set the record straight:
    Heller was NOT a SAF case. That one was done by Robert Levy and CATO

    McDonald was a SAF case...funded by SAF. NRA had its own case that was not accepted for review by SCOTUS and so they managed to get some argument time during McDonald.

    SAF now has about 20 different federal lawsuits filed in several states, Illinois, North Carolina, Maryland, New York, New Jersey, yada yada yada...
     
  20. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    thanks Dave