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Firearms from our very beginning as a nation have had implications for our liberty.
The very reason the English marched onto Concord April 19th 1775 , was to confiscate arms stored there.
If it wasn't for firearms and our use of them we might not be the nation that we are today.

As for the implications for today...
Millions of gun owners every day do no harm to others with their guns...
That seems to me , to be a telling implication.

Making the gun the issue or focus for our nation's ills ...is kinda like the parent blaming the Lego for the hurt foot , instead of the kid for not putting it away or themselves for not teaching the kid to do so.
Andy
 
The ACLU's stance appears to be that exercising you're constitutional rights causes government to grow, increases regulations, expands the surveillance state, and invites violent reactions by law enforcement.

If that's thier view, then they must believe that the solution is to voluntarily relenquish our civil rights and cede authority to a centralized entity.

How perfectly Marxist.

They may want to look into a name change... the APNSN (Anti-Public Nativity Scene Nitwits) seems to better describe the focus of their mission in the 21st century. Real warriors, they are.
 
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I strongly dislike articles like this, which give sound-bite sentences without substantiating the validity of those bites -- soon to be seen as a meme on the kangaroo courts of Facebook and Twitter.

In the ACLU article, the author, Jay Stanley, states, "...the Constitution does permit limits on firearms sale and ownership."
I love when people make sweeping statements that lead the hootenanny to believe the 2nd Amendment is negotiable. Of course, Stanley doesn't back up the statement with any legal argument or support. I guess we're supposed to just lay down and say, "oh, OK."

This flies in the face of a recent thread, posted by @awshoot:
When a judge on the 9th Circuit Court recently argued, "When does the court have the ability to say enough is enough?" Benitez said.

"How do we make the decision of how far we allow the state to interfere in what is arguably protected by the Second Amendment?" he added. "None of us would want one of our neighbors to own a bazooka or hand grenade but if you read the Second Amendment that would probably be okay."
The judge also challenged the piecemeal approach the government has taken in addressing public safety concerns regarding guns. He questioned the "incremental way we're addressing the Second Amendment," hypothesizing the government could use the same arguments to enact a ban on lower capacity magazines in the future.

"Why should the government be so arrogant as to tell law-abiding citizens: 'You know what? Too bad, so sad. If you had 17 rounds you would have been able to stop that assailant and now you're raped and now you're dead,'" Benitez said.

My favorite quote from Stanley's article, "Throughout history, people who live in warlike times and places have built walls, while residents of peaceful kingdoms have tended to live without them."
Tell me, which of those peaceful kingdoms is still around?

He's either too young, watches too much MSM, or drinks Evian in the mirror, as evidence by his quote, "
Intrusions already in play or proposed as a result of mass shootings include:
  • Increased physical searches, including ever-expanding checkpoints, bag searches, magnetometers, body scanners, pat downs, and more. Call it the "airportization of American life." To pick one telling example: After the Parkland shooting, students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School were <broken link removed> from carrying backpacks, except those that are clear and permit the contents inside to be seen. This decision by the school cost students the fundamental personal privacy of being able to carry books, medicines, and other intimate items without exposing them to public view.
  • More surveillance. We have seen at least two school districts in the United States — in Arkansas and the state of New York — vote to adopt comprehensive surveillance systems that include blanket video surveillance, tracking, face recognition, and the ability of law enforcement to tap into the system. The pressure to install such systems, inside our schools and out, will only increase if mass shootings continue to happen regularly.
  • A growth in databases, watch lists, investigations, and background checks that set the government rummaging around in our personal lives.
  • More armed police and guards at more and more civilian gatherings, potentially down to every Little League game and church picnic — authorities whose very presence will change the character of American life, and who are also likely to assert their power in numerous ways, make everything into a law enforcement issue, and generally bring the government into a lot of situations in American life where the government has not traditionally meddled. Security experts know that if you harden some targets, attackers just go for the softer ones.
  • More police shootings. There are a lot of problems behind our nation's tragically high rate of unnecessary police shootings, including racism, poor training, and the militarization of our police. But it is also undoubtedly the case that the widespread availability of guns makes police much jumpier than they otherwise would be and quicker to shoot.
The first four bullet points can be attributed to terrorist activity, not guns. Though I do not have statistics for the last point, it is my opinion, there may be more due to increased population, but my sense is the relative amount hasn't changed.
 
Firearms from our very beginning as a nation have had implications for our liberty.
The very reason the English marched onto Concord April 19th 1775 , was to confiscate arms stored there.
If it wasn't for firearms and our use of them we might not be the nation that we are today.
As for the implications for today...
Millions of gun owners every day do no harm to others with their guns...
That seems to me , to be a telling implication.
Andy

I read your thoughts and it seems that the socialist Left is trying to do exactly this paint all of us as the bad guys. Lumping us right in with the real bad guys that commit crimes.
Makes one wonder, if there was ever on the right, a civil unrest movement to retain rights, would it not then give the left the excuse that all of those with gun owners are not peaceful? If you look at the Bundy incident agree or not with their stance, it was at once about their ability to be armed that held the Gov at bay, in many instances when a people feel suppressed we can see pocket of resistance and the hardship the US Gov has trying to contain it. To digress slightly it also appear that if civil unrest were to occur it would be a all or none situation, as for sure at a ceasefire, there would be full confiscation just as it would have been for our forefathers.
 
To digress slightly it also appear that if civil unrest were to occur it would be a all or none situation, as for sure at a ceasefire, there would be full confiscation just as it would have been for our forefathers.
That's why, once it starts, it doesn't end until the other side surrenders or is fully defeated. Period. Let's face it, it's going to be ugly, most likely the casualties will be in the millions, but unless the governments get back to their original jobs, there may be no other choice...
 
Even if the article writer is correct, the cats kind of out of the bag. America has 400+ million firearms, 5 million AR15s and Millions of other semi-auto rifles floating around. Huge numbers of them were traded in private hands and are beyond the governments ability to track. The democratization of 3d printing and CNC machines (sub ten grand) only compounds the issue.
 
I believe the lefts attacks will continue and actually ramp up the closer we get to the primaries. The derangement has already hit new heights.
I wish there was a way to invest in leftist hysteria. I'd become so rich so quickly I'd make Bezos look like the hired help. :cool:
 

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